RE: McLaren Speedtail revealed as 250mph trendsetter
Discussion
Rich_W said:
To the vast majority of people, Yes.
To you and E65Ross. Clearly not
Like a pair of paid Russian bots
However, whilst everything McLaren produce is no doubt brilliant to drive (on track) My points are purely looks/design based. Not capability.
You have to consider that 720s was weirdly styled "for performance"
Senna is just plain ugly but "for performance"
Speedtail is just ridiculous looking* "for performance"
Also these 3 cars are so very different looks wise you wonder why they don't stick to a design language for a few models.
Interesting that when P1 was launched there was a far more universal love for the looks and the phrase "Function over Form" didn't sound like an excuse
12C still stands as a high point in terms of simplicity. And also you could see the evolution of design from the mighty F1 (especially if it had the roof snorkel)
* YMMV
You know what I really wanted to see from McLaren when it came to do a long distance GT?
Engine in front of the occupants, big boot that can carry enough luggage for a long weekend away and space for some French cases to bring back. The standardish formula for a GT that Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston et al adhere to. I'd much rather see them push their ideas in a different direction from the run of mid engine cars they've fallen into
This is obviously a render, 720s meets Ferrari I guess, but wouldn't it be refreshing? Modified version of the carbon tub, get that V8TT under that hood too. Gearbox at the back, Torque tube. Slightly more luxurious interior, top speed of 210-220. Big fuel tank for a decent range. Job nicely done
(Snipped part is because I explained this to you in August and you said you'd stay on your naughty step. But clearly you fell off it, and continue to misrepresent the facts to say my pov is irrelevant. You do love an Ad Hom don't you. So classy )
Not an Ad Hom attack - just a genuine observation.To you and E65Ross. Clearly not
Like a pair of paid Russian bots However, whilst everything McLaren produce is no doubt brilliant to drive (on track) My points are purely looks/design based. Not capability.
You have to consider that 720s was weirdly styled "for performance"
Senna is just plain ugly but "for performance"
Speedtail is just ridiculous looking* "for performance"
Also these 3 cars are so very different looks wise you wonder why they don't stick to a design language for a few models.
Interesting that when P1 was launched there was a far more universal love for the looks and the phrase "Function over Form" didn't sound like an excuse
12C still stands as a high point in terms of simplicity. And also you could see the evolution of design from the mighty F1 (especially if it had the roof snorkel)
* YMMV
You know what I really wanted to see from McLaren when it came to do a long distance GT?
Engine in front of the occupants, big boot that can carry enough luggage for a long weekend away and space for some French cases to bring back. The standardish formula for a GT that Ferrari, Mercedes, Aston et al adhere to. I'd much rather see them push their ideas in a different direction from the run of mid engine cars they've fallen into
This is obviously a render, 720s meets Ferrari I guess, but wouldn't it be refreshing? Modified version of the carbon tub, get that V8TT under that hood too. Gearbox at the back, Torque tube. Slightly more luxurious interior, top speed of 210-220. Big fuel tank for a decent range. Job nicely done
(Snipped part is because I explained this to you in August and you said you'd stay on your naughty step. But clearly you fell off it, and continue to misrepresent the facts to say my pov is irrelevant. You do love an Ad Hom don't you. So classy
)Edited by Rich_W on Monday 29th October 22:19
Your posts do come across as very bitter. It might not be your intention but that's the perception.
Your recent example on this thread including the memes are a case in point. If they are not an Ad Hom then I don't know what is.
Pot, kettle etc.
Edited by Maldini35 on Tuesday 30th October 11:08
justplain said:
I quite like it without the wheel cover...
Agreed. It either needs wheel covers on both ends, or neither, to look right... I imagine at 250mph there is a very good reason for the rear to not have them, and the front to have them, though...I imagine it'll be fine for tooling around on the motorways at up to 100 (honest officer) without them.
mclwanB said:
Is it just me or do you not think that this will be *a lot* faster than the 250mph quoted top speed? ...
No I agree. I think it's going to smash through 250. Didn't the Saleen S7 do 248 with 800bhp-ish?I just can't help but think, so what? The Chiron, Venom and Agera RS have all done well over 250 too. So is this an exercise in doing it with less power and more efficiently? Meh. I suppose you could level ''so what'' at most performance/super/hyper cars. We should probably just be happy someone is buying these things and employing lots of people to build them!
fblm said:
mclwanB said:
Is it just me or do you not think that this will be *a lot* faster than the 250mph quoted top speed? ...
No I agree. I think it's going to smash through 250. Didn't the Saleen S7 do 248 with 800bhp-ish?
Rich_W said:
humblesabot said:
I don't know if anyone else has noticed but the turbine direction of the wheels appears to be sucking air in rather than blowing air out, which is counter to most. Might be feeding the mesh side of the diffuser?
I assumed they were copies of F1 circa 09
Proven tech that works though.
What I had been saying about the covers was that for the same technical reason as in F1, static covers cannot be mounted on driven wheels.
humblesabot said:
You misunderstand me. I'm not talking about the static wheel cover but the angle of attack of the spokes on the wheels themselves. They act much like fans, and the way the car is set up those fans pull air in from the airstream along the outboard side of the car. F1 setups primarily suck air into the braking system from the inboard side of the wheel, and expel it towards the outside of the wheel. The cover simply smoothes out the flow around the faster moving top part of the wheel. I suspect these two things in combination help offset radiator drag.
What I had been saying about the covers was that for the same technical reason as in F1, static covers cannot be mounted on driven wheels.
I'm surprised any aero advantage is worth the unsprung weight penalty. You raise an interesting point about the covers being on undriven wheels; I had assumed they were ''free'' floating like spinning hub caps...What I had been saying about the covers was that for the same technical reason as in F1, static covers cannot be mounted on driven wheels.
No, they're hard mounted to the uprights through the hollow axle.
I suspect you could do em for less than a kilo, depending how much they feel they need to beef them up for road use. 1000g is something close to rounding error between one wheel style and another. 20" wheels are extremely heavy.
I suspect you could do em for less than a kilo, depending how much they feel they need to beef them up for road use. 1000g is something close to rounding error between one wheel style and another. 20" wheels are extremely heavy.
From https://www.instagram.com/spdesignsest
Love that concept! Design cues from the mighty F1
(ETA Yes I'm sure it's less efficient aero than the official car.
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Love that concept! Design cues from the mighty F1
(ETA Yes I'm sure it's less efficient aero than the official car.
)Edited by Rich_W on Friday 2nd November 21:20
How far do you think that the flexible carbon fibre will be developed? Has there been any further development of complete suspension assemblies being made from the material, flexible wishbones that are part of the front structure? Could whole doors bonnets/boot lids be engineered in the same fashion as the winglets in time? How much weight could conceivably be removed from a vehicle if as many hinges and things like bushes where done away with?
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