ULEZ charge in 2021

[saaby93]

Is there a way of measuring Nox so that an early car with low Nox can still get in?

[Bob Harper]

A1ps said:

Hi guys, apologies for not replying sooner. For some reason PH wouldn’t allow me to post.

Thanks for all the replies. Alas, I’m still as confused as ever with this lark.

Will my V5 document show the euro 3/4 status?


Edit: I spoke.with Audi UK today. They confirmed my car is definitely Euro 3. I gave them a registration of a friends RS4 B5. That came up.as a euro 2!!!

Man I'm confused!!

Edited by A1ps on Thursday 28th November 19:07

I think you really need to dig out your V5 and see what it says. For both my cars (Euro 4 petrols) their Euro status as well as their emissions figures are stated on the V5. I checked a friend's Euro 2 V5 and that doesn't list emissions separately.

[A1ps]

Unfortunately there were no details on the V5.No emissions or Euro category. So I called Audi UK who were only able to verify that it was a Euro 3 car.

I did some more digging around and have had many others informing me saying how inaccurate and misleading the TFL vehicle checker is. There are cars that clearly do not meet TFL's official criteria but on the TFL website when the registration is entered, they are showing as being compliant. Someone had a 2002 3.0 BMW which was compliant, however there 1.0 Daihatsu was non compliant!

I think the $h17 is gonna hit the fan in late 2021!!!

[Gooly]

Engine CC has nothing to do with it... In my experience the TFL checker is remarkably accurate and goes by the NOX emissions (which have been referenced multiple times here) as opposed to the actual Euro classification, which means some Euro 3 cars are able to slip through. Its a good thing!

[C70R]

Gooly said:

Engine CC has nothing to do with it... In my experience the TFL checker is remarkably accurate and goes by the NOX emissions (which have been referenced multiple times here) as opposed to the actual Euro classification, which means some Euro 3 cars are able to slip through. Its a good thing!

The amount of misunderstanding about how the ULEZ is applied is absolutely staggering.

More so because we're on a site that is supposedly for car enthusiasts...

[saaby93]

Is it about measured Nox or certified Nox?
i.e. can I take my car somewhere get the NOx measured and show exemption?

[swamp]

saaby93 said:

Is it about measured Nox or certified Nox?
i.e. can I take my car somewhere get the NOx measured and show exemption?

It's what's on the V5C that matters. Euro 4 petrol is NOx: 0.08g/km

Failing that, there is the Clean Vehicle Retrofit Accreditation Scheme. However this route may not be economically viable for passenger cars:

https://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/transport/fre...

[DickyC]

Had a drink yesterday with an old boss who lives in Putney. He owns a middle aged XJ and an old S3 Bentley. The last time we spoke he was lamenting the impending departure of his cars due to ULEZ. Yesterday he was back on form. His wife had pointed out to him that, yes, they do live on the South Circular but had he considered that they live on the south side of it? He hadn't. If he lived in the house opposite his cars would go. But he doesn't so he will keep them.

[NomduJour]

Youngest S3 will be well over 50 years old, so not subject to ULEZ.

[DickyC]

NomduJour said:

Youngest S3 will be well over 50 years old, so not subject to ULEZ.

His research was worse than we thought.

[braddo]

Indeed, it's worth remembering that the window of ineligible cars will shrink with each year's passing - the 40-year-old exemption will start at 1981 and move each year, while the youngest catch date will stay around 2005 for petrol cars.

So early 80s stuff will be able to be inside the circulars in a few years' time. Unfortunately all the nice 90s stuff has a long wait...

[C70R]

DickyC said:

NomduJour said:

Youngest S3 will be well over 50 years old, so not subject to ULEZ.

His research was worse than we thought.

This is what makes me laugh about how everyone seems to be making up their understanding of the ULEZ as they go. The rules are clearly stated in one place (the TFL website), which even includes a way to check a car's eligibility.

What possible "research" could this (potentially smart) bloke have actually done to come to the conclusions he did?

[DickyC]

C70R said:

This is what makes me laugh about how everyone seems to be making up their understanding of the ULEZ as they go. The rules are clearly stated in one place (the TFL website), which even includes a way to check a car's eligibility.

What possible "research" could this (potentially smart) bloke have actually done to come to the conclusions he did?

The research thing was a joke. Not a good joke by the sound of it.

It's a depressive thing, I think. You hear about new rules, assume they relate to you and fear the worst. He'd already found someone to take the Jag. When he found out the rules didn't apply to him he was worried about letting the bloke down.

I was more interested in the idea that the rules are different on either side of the same road. The line has to be somewhere, I see that. If it was the M25 it would be different but with the South Circular it's your neighbours across the way.

[C70R]

DickyC said:

C70R said:

This is what makes me laugh about how everyone seems to be making up their understanding of the ULEZ as they go. The rules are clearly stated in one place (the TFL website), which even includes a way to check a car's eligibility.

What possible "research" could this (potentially smart) bloke have actually done to come to the conclusions he did?

The research thing was a joke. Not a good joke by the sound of it.

It's a depressive thing, I think. You hear about new rules, assume they relate to you and fear the worst. He'd already found someone to take the Jag. When he found out the rules didn't apply to him he was worried about letting the bloke down.

I was more interested in the idea that the rules are different on either side of the same road. The line has to be somewhere, I see that. If it was the M25 it would be different but with the South Circular it's your neighbours across the way.

Does it not strike you as odd for him to put more effort into selling his Jag than to working out whether the ULEZ actually affected him?

[DickyC]

That's why I'm wondering if it's a depressive thing.

The world's against me, I'm condemned to a life of boring modern cars.

Kind of thing.

[C70R]

DickyC said:

That's why I'm wondering if it's a depressive thing.

The world's against me, I'm condemned to a life of boring modern cars.

Kind of thing.

I think you're probably right.

Most of this thread has tended to focus on that narrative. Oddly, the most vociferous were often those least affected.

[DonkeyApple]

DickyC said:

That's why I'm wondering if it's a depressive thing.

The world's against me, I'm condemned to a life of boring modern cars.

Kind of thing.

I think that blokes just get old, stop learning, start reading the Daily Mail and evolve into angry cabbages.

There is clearly a correlation between the number of total, self created fknuckles in society who have suddenly gone from being forward thinking, liberal minded humans to pigeon barkers and the fact that the NHS is keeping most blokes alive beyond 65.

In days past, almost all blokes would drop dead before they got infected by their quest to read fictitious stories and get enraged over them. There would only be a few of them, in the park looking for a ducknto punch or sitting on a pointless committee somewhere seeking access to normal people to victimise. But today they are legion. Children and parents are unable to go anywhere without fear of the loony angry old man attack.

We’ve built a national complex of garden centres to try and draw them in and keep them away from society. We’ve launched endless afternoon quiz shows to try and keep them indoors. We’ve built over 55 communities where they can be prison guards and persecute those who woke up one morning and decided they wanted to go and live in Stalagluft and be persecuted by nazis till the end of days or until they turn into one themselves.

But events like ULEZ are too powerful. There is no two for one offer on garden rakes, no late afternoon quiz show strong enough to overcome something like ULEZ. ULEZ will benefit the people who are responsible for the demise of society, it’s going to take money that should be theres, immigrants are involved, streets of manshuns will be divided.

It’s all far too much for your standard duck puncher or pigeon barker. Of course they aren’t going to study the details and find out the true material impact they are just going to wade in screaming that everyone is going to die unless they listen to the screaming loon.

It’s all the fault of the NHS. Human males are genetically designed to die long before women. They serve no purpose in society once they can no longer operate as hunter gatherers. Women can continue to benefit society for as long as they can breathe. The NHS has disrupted the natural order and now we have a right mess that no amount of coupons through the letter box can control.

[C70R]

That's an absolutely hilarious post. Raised a dry smile, particularly the passage below.

DonkeyApple said:

We’ve built a national complex of garden centres to try and draw them in and keep them away from society. We’ve launched endless afternoon quiz shows to try and keep them indoors.

[catfood12]

DonkeyApple said:

I think that blokes just get old, stop learning, start reading the Daily Mail and evolve into angry cabbages.

There is clearly a correlation between the number of total, self created fknuckles in society who have suddenly gone from being forward thinking, liberal minded humans to pigeon barkers and the fact that the NHS is keeping most blokes alive beyond 65.

In days past, almost all blokes would drop dead before they got infected by their quest to read fictitious stories and get enraged over them. There would only be a few of them, in the park looking for a ducknto punch or sitting on a pointless committee somewhere seeking access to normal people to victimise. But today they are legion. Children and parents are unable to go anywhere without fear of the loony angry old man attack.

We’ve built a national complex of garden centres to try and draw them in and keep them away from society. We’ve launched endless afternoon quiz shows to try and keep them indoors. We’ve built over 55 communities where they can be prison guards and persecute those who woke up one morning and decided they wanted to go and live in Stalagluft and be persecuted by nazis till the end of days or until they turn into one themselves.

But events like ULEZ are too powerful. There is no two for one offer on garden rakes, no late afternoon quiz show strong enough to overcome something like ULEZ. ULEZ will benefit the people who are responsible for the demise of society, it’s going to take money that should be theres, immigrants are involved, streets of manshuns will be divided.

It’s all far too much for your standard duck puncher or pigeon barker. Of course they aren’t going to study the details and find out the true material impact they are just going to wade in screaming that everyone is going to die unless they listen to the screaming loon.

It’s all the fault of the NHS. Human males are genetically designed to die long before women. They serve no purpose in society once they can no longer operate as hunter gatherers. Women can continue to benefit society for as long as they can breathe. The NHS has disrupted the natural order and now we have a right mess that no amount of coupons through the letter box can control.

Awesome Donkey, just awesome.

[DickyC]

catfood12 said:

Awesome Donkey, just awesome.

+1

Fantastic