ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
braddo said:
Indeed, it's worth remembering that the window of ineligible cars will shrink with each year's passing - the 40-year-old exemption will start at 1981 and move each year, while the youngest catch date will stay around 2005 for petrol cars.
So early 80s stuff will be able to be inside the circulars in a few years' time. Unfortunately all the nice 90s stuff has a long wait...
Mmm good excuse to restore a 635csi or a 735sei. So early 80s stuff will be able to be inside the circulars in a few years' time. Unfortunately all the nice 90s stuff has a long wait...
2gins said:
It does make me consider not buying the Cerbera I always wanted, and instead going for a Tasmin and supercharging it to hell and gone...
Lots of Rotrex chargers are going to get fitted to 40 year old cars. 
One thing ULEZ is going to do is create a big spike in the number of old cars that enthusiasts keep in London.
DonkeyApple said:
Lots of Rotrex chargers are going to get fitted to 40 year old cars.
One thing ULEZ is going to do is create a big spike in the number of old cars that enthusiasts keep in London.
Except for the really interesting 90s stuff, which was basically my coming of age as far as cars are concerned.One thing ULEZ is going to do is create a big spike in the number of old cars that enthusiasts keep in London.
2gins said:
Except for the really interesting 90s stuff, which was basically my coming of age as far as cars are concerned.
Yep, my daily that I bought new in 1998.
e36 BMW 3 series saloon. 2.5 6 pot.
130,000 miles and still drives like new. Thankfully I've just moved from the South Circular to a little further out so I'll keep her and buy another car. How green is that.
ZX10R NIN said:
Don't count on it if it looks like they're not creating enough revenue (don't forget they'll need to get the billion they're going to spending on cameras back for starters) watch the rules for petrols change quickly.
But if they did that, people will simply move out of those cars so the additional revenue will be small. A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
I would be surprised to see them move the ulez beyond euro 4 petrol and euro 6 diesel for a while. The ULEZ is based on NOx as that causes local problems. Euro 7 is coming out next year and most manufacturers will be compliant around 2021/2022. Euro 6 came out in 2015 so possibly 2029 at the earliest for the shift to euro 5 petrol and euro 7 diesel. Otherwise they will need to take a load of brand new cars off the road!
Edited by delta0 on Monday 30th December 13:17
delta0 said:
I would be surprised to see them move the ulez beyond euro 4 petrol and euro 6 diesel for a while. The ULEZ is based on NOx as that causes local problems. Euro 7 is coming out next year and most manufacturers will be compliant around 2021/2022. Euro 6 came out in 2015 so possibly 2029 at the earliest for the shift to euro 5 petrol and euro 7 diesel. Otherwise they will need to take a load of brand new cars off the road!
Let's not let that get in the way of a bunch of grumpy blokes ranting. Edited by delta0 on Monday 30th December 13:17
braddo said:
But if they did that, people will simply move out of those cars so the additional revenue will be small.
A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
NOX gasses aren't the only cause of air pollution& this would be TFL's angle especially as euro6 is the highest standard already, so the only way forward is to bring petrols into line too.A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
Comstock said:
With a view to future proofing, does anyone know what is the oldest car I can buy that hits Euro 5?
It's not life and death, but I do have a friend in Peckham I visit occasionally, and I generally park outside his and tube it in.
RAC says Euro 5 is effective from 1 Jan 2011.It's not life and death, but I do have a friend in Peckham I visit occasionally, and I generally park outside his and tube it in.
https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/emissions/euro-...
ZX10R NIN said:
braddo said:
But if they did that, people will simply move out of those cars so the additional revenue will be small.
A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
NOX gasses aren't the only cause of air pollution& this would be TFL's angle especially as euro6 is the highest standard already, so the only way forward is to bring petrols into line too.A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
And frankly, better outcomes for local air quality would come from going after the Euro 6 diesels which emit way over their tested results, and people who remove DPFs from their vehicles.
Comstock said:
With a view to future proofing, does anyone know what is the oldest car I can buy that hits Euro 5?
It's not life and death, but I do have a friend in Peckham I visit occasionally, and I generally park outside his and tube it in.
Rather than changing your car at great hassle and expense, wouldn't it just make more sense to just pay the charge on the odd occasion that you go into the Zone? How often would it realistically be?It's not life and death, but I do have a friend in Peckham I visit occasionally, and I generally park outside his and tube it in.
Your hugely infrequent use isn't the kind of thing that the ULEZ is intended to address.
Also, Peckham won't be inside the ULEZ until October 2021. And there are currently no plans to make Euro 4 petrols non-compliant.
It is really worth worrying about it now? I feel like you're creating a problem where one doesn't really exist...
Edited by C70R on Monday 30th December 16:50
braddo said:
ZX10R NIN said:
braddo said:
But if they did that, people will simply move out of those cars so the additional revenue will be small.
A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
NOX gasses aren't the only cause of air pollution& this would be TFL's angle especially as euro6 is the highest standard already, so the only way forward is to bring petrols into line too.A quick search suggests that Euro 6 nox limit is 80mg/km - isn't that the same as Euro 4 petrol?
If so, they would need to move on Euro 6 diesel too if they move on Euro 4 petrol, which makes it a much bigger disruptive change.
And frankly, better outcomes for local air quality would come from going after the Euro 6 diesels which emit way over their tested results, and people who remove DPFs from their vehicles.
Next year it will be euro 7 and there aren’t any plans to change the ULEZ requirements to euro 7 yet. Some boroughs also will charge more for parking permits for diesel cars. It is very clear which kind of of vehicles they are targeting.
Edited by delta0 on Tuesday 31st December 01:24
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