RE: Insignia VXR Supersport: 170mph for sub £30K
Discussion
TomTVR500 said:
You’re not the first person that has sniggered at 0-60 mph in 5.6 seconds in this thread and it makes me laugh.
What planet do you people live on? I am aware that the new wave of supercars and hypercars are producing figures close to this to 100mph and I love a ridiculously fast car as much as the next person on PH but come on, 0-60 in 5.6 seconds out on the road is still fast and in all likelihood more performance than you can hope to use monday-friday.
Also where is the fun in pulling a paddle or pressing a button, flooring the throttle, removing your foot from the brake and leaving the throttle pinned until you bottle it or start to fear for your licence?
Pointless!
Thank you. Someone with half a brain. God bless you.What planet do you people live on? I am aware that the new wave of supercars and hypercars are producing figures close to this to 100mph and I love a ridiculously fast car as much as the next person on PH but come on, 0-60 in 5.6 seconds out on the road is still fast and in all likelihood more performance than you can hope to use monday-friday.
Also where is the fun in pulling a paddle or pressing a button, flooring the throttle, removing your foot from the brake and leaving the throttle pinned until you bottle it or start to fear for your licence?
Pointless!
Does the engine in it respond well to a remap, better breathing mods?
anonymous said:
[redacted]
Honestly, how can these myths just go on and on and on. It's weird. I drove a Cavalier from the '80s and despite having an a very poor reputation for handling it was just fine. Don't believe everything you either read or think that you have read in a magazine. Some journalists have no idea.Might be worth a punt after 3 years of depreciation has taken its toll. Did the Evo long termer not have issues with its brakes though? IIRC the cost of replacement was silly.
At this price bracket I would find it very difficult to look past BMW, they seem to be on the ball at the moment.
At this price bracket I would find it very difficult to look past BMW, they seem to be on the ball at the moment.
arcticnick said:
I seriously considered buying one last year. The lifetime warranty and the discounts available, plus finance, were hard to resist.
Also, I have a family, I enjoy skiing and thought it would be perfect for a fast drive to the Alps and back with a load of gear in the boot / on the roof etc. I think the estate is the best looking of the bunch. Fast, comfy, cheap for a new car. I also agreed to stop changing cars all the time so was looking to keep it for 5-7 years.
I didn't buy one because I am living abroad and didn't fancy having to negotiate with Opel Europe every time I wanted to claim on the lifetime warranty (I was not naive enough to think I wouldn't need it.)
I got a 335i Touring instead - a comparable car, which is smaller, less well equipped, cost more new (I bought mine at 3 years old) and doesn't cope as well in the snow without the winter wheels and tyres I bought. And the badge didn't swing I for me, it was the powertrain. But, I still think a VXR estate would have been a perfect car for the family.
So - there is a private market for these new (albeit it may just have been me), and also those buyers will also compare new and old (I had the S4 and a 530i Touring on the same list).
Not sure where that falls on the debate....
Interestingly I chose the VXR estate over an E class.Also, I have a family, I enjoy skiing and thought it would be perfect for a fast drive to the Alps and back with a load of gear in the boot / on the roof etc. I think the estate is the best looking of the bunch. Fast, comfy, cheap for a new car. I also agreed to stop changing cars all the time so was looking to keep it for 5-7 years.
I didn't buy one because I am living abroad and didn't fancy having to negotiate with Opel Europe every time I wanted to claim on the lifetime warranty (I was not naive enough to think I wouldn't need it.)
I got a 335i Touring instead - a comparable car, which is smaller, less well equipped, cost more new (I bought mine at 3 years old) and doesn't cope as well in the snow without the winter wheels and tyres I bought. And the badge didn't swing I for me, it was the powertrain. But, I still think a VXR estate would have been a perfect car for the family.
So - there is a private market for these new (albeit it may just have been me), and also those buyers will also compare new and old (I had the S4 and a 530i Touring on the same list).
Not sure where that falls on the debate....
It is a great family car that can be driven a little quickly and has great pops and bangs on the overrun. The merc dealer was awful so became an easy decision and 4wd over rear wheel was preferred.
Great car which I expect to keep for a long time - but as the family car not the fun/fast car.
v8will said:
Might be worth a punt after 3 years of depreciation has taken its toll. Did the Evo long termer not have issues with its brakes though? IIRC the cost of replacement was silly.
.
.
A set of front discs and pads (345mm) seems to be about £200-£220 ish for genuine parts
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Vauxhall-Opel-Ve...
Big discs so don't seem ruinous?
v8will said:
Might be worth a punt after 3 years of depreciation has taken its toll. Did the Evo long termer not have issues with its brakes though? IIRC the cost of replacement was silly.
At this price bracket I would find it very difficult to look past BMW, they seem to be on the ball at the moment.
These have 355 mm front discs gripped by Brembo 4 piston calipers, i think you will find they are as big as a ferrari 360 so yes they are expensive !At this price bracket I would find it very difficult to look past BMW, they seem to be on the ball at the moment.
I would be very interested to know how many people have commented on this car with out even driving one. They are very different to a regular Insignia.
Sub 6 to 60 is quick enough to raise most passengers eyebrows and the quality is considerably better in Vauxhalls previous models.
http://courtenaysport.co.uk/insignia-vxr-tuning/in... 340bhp and 410lbft should improve things not to mention 100bhp gain at only 3600rpm for only £595
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=... Cold start up they sound good
I ran a VXR for a 16 months and have the following to say about it,
The handling was more than equal to any Fast VAG product if not BMW. But fun enough on the right road.
The traction in wet weather (And we get a lot remember) was first rate, it was also pretty damn good in snow.
They are huge, plenty of space inside and enough room in the boot for two bodies.
Build was good apart from a squeaky centre console (Dealer never fixed).
The brakes were almost Porsche like.
It was manual............... stuff your crap paddles.
The noise was great.
The car is big, so it will not handle like a go kart.
The car is heavier than it should be - this blunts some of the performance
The cost of brake services etc is higher than you would hope.
The cost of tyres on the 20 inch wheels is eye watering.
The back up by Vauxhall is poor they b
h and winge about warranty claims. (Water got into both rear lights, they said they all do that and refused to change them) If they want to move up market with products, the service must follow.
The cost of keeping it fed was also very high.
However on the whole i enjoyed it and now driving an Auto Merc E Class, yes i miss it.
Please remember i was an owner not a keyboard warrior.
The handling was more than equal to any Fast VAG product if not BMW. But fun enough on the right road.
The traction in wet weather (And we get a lot remember) was first rate, it was also pretty damn good in snow.
They are huge, plenty of space inside and enough room in the boot for two bodies.
Build was good apart from a squeaky centre console (Dealer never fixed).
The brakes were almost Porsche like.
It was manual............... stuff your crap paddles.
The noise was great.
The car is big, so it will not handle like a go kart.
The car is heavier than it should be - this blunts some of the performance
The cost of brake services etc is higher than you would hope.
The cost of tyres on the 20 inch wheels is eye watering.
The back up by Vauxhall is poor they b
h and winge about warranty claims. (Water got into both rear lights, they said they all do that and refused to change them) If they want to move up market with products, the service must follow.The cost of keeping it fed was also very high.
However on the whole i enjoyed it and now driving an Auto Merc E Class, yes i miss it.
Please remember i was an owner not a keyboard warrior.
H100S said:
http://courtenaysport.co.uk/insignia-vxr-tuning/in... 340bhp and 410lbft should improve things not to mention 100bhp gain at only 3600rpm for only £595
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=... Cold start up they sound good
The car could be made a lot quicker simply by removing the torque-limiting in 1st and 2nd gears, but there's quite likely a good reason why is was limited in the first place...http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=... Cold start up they sound good
C
CraigyMc said:
H100S said:
http://courtenaysport.co.uk/insignia-vxr-tuning/in... 340bhp and 410lbft should improve things not to mention 100bhp gain at only 3600rpm for only £595
http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=... Cold start up they sound good
The car could be made a lot quicker simply by removing the torque-limiting in 1st and 2nd gears, but there's quite likely a good reason why is was limited in the first place...http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=... Cold start up they sound good
C
300bhp/ton said:
I suspect it's limited for mass production and to reduce wheel spin. Transmissions are often a weak spot, but an individual may well be fine removing such restrictions.
Yep, that's why.For the record, VXR-fans, BMW do something like this with their clutches.
They fit a hydraulic valve which limits how fast the clutch can "drop", to stop someone sidestepping the clutch at peak revs from causing a massive shunt through the driveline. Obviously it can still engage quickly, but not as fast as you might expect.
M cars don't have the valve.
Gearboxes are rated by torque. This thing peaks at 325lb/ft. I wonder if the haldex clutch based thingy in the centre is the limiting factor..
C
CraigyMc said:
Yep, that's why.
For the record, VXR-fans, BMW do something like this with their clutches.
They fit a hydraulic valve which limits how fast the clutch can "drop", to stop someone sidestepping the clutch at peak revs from causing a massive shunt through the driveline. Obviously it can still engage quickly, but not as fast as you might expect.
M cars don't have the valve.
Gearboxes are rated by torque. This thing peaks at 325lb/ft. I wonder if the haldex clutch based thingy in the centre is the limiting factor..
C
I believe that the gearbox is the limiting factor. I think it still uses the F40 gearbox, which peaks in standard form at 400nm. This has been uped (not sure how) for the insignia VXR. However the standard gear box is running fine with over 400lbft on plenty of Vectra VXR'sFor the record, VXR-fans, BMW do something like this with their clutches.
They fit a hydraulic valve which limits how fast the clutch can "drop", to stop someone sidestepping the clutch at peak revs from causing a massive shunt through the driveline. Obviously it can still engage quickly, but not as fast as you might expect.
M cars don't have the valve.
Gearboxes are rated by torque. This thing peaks at 325lb/ft. I wonder if the haldex clutch based thingy in the centre is the limiting factor..
C
v8will said:
Might be worth a punt after 3 years of depreciation has taken its toll. Did the Evo long termer not have issues with its brakes though? IIRC the cost of replacement was silly.
At this price bracket I would find it very difficult to look past BMW, they seem to be on the ball at the moment.
As far as I can tell, the depreciation seems remarkably low. I'd buy new for the warranty.At this price bracket I would find it very difficult to look past BMW, they seem to be on the ball at the moment.
At this price bracket? What comparable BMW is available brand new for £23,555?
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff