Cars that never sold well

[Truckosaurus]

300bhp/ton said:

Really? Did you understand the question?

It is well known the F1 didn't achieve the planned number of sales. Hence it being made into a racing car which wasn't in the original plan.

[Wills2]

Joe5y said:

Wills2 said:

e60 M5 touring

I'd have one over any other car.

But BMW know you wouldn't walk in and drop 100k on a new F90 M5 hence they don't make them.

[Dazed and Confused]

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

[300bhp/ton]

HTP99 said:

No doubt one of those wtf moments for dealer staff; some deluded high up bod at Vauxhall has decided and is convinced that "this will upset the established players, Vauxhall need this and it will work",

You do realise Vauxhall is just GM these days... well since 1925 at least.

[Integroo]

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

To be fair, the Tesla Model S is cheaper, and is a four door saloon so competes in a different market than a sports car.

[300bhp/ton]

Integroo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

To be fair, the Tesla Model S is cheaper, and is a four door saloon so competes in a different market than a sports car.

Completely agree, it's a bit like saying Ford sell more Fiesta's than Mazda does MX-5's... therefore the MX-5 doesn't sell well.

[300bhp/ton]

Truckosaurus said:

300bhp/ton said:

Really? Did you understand the question?

It is well known the F1 didn't achieve the planned number of sales. Hence it being made into a racing car which wasn't in the original plan.

I couldn't see any mention of this on Wiki when looking, do you have something referenceable?

[HTP99]

300bhp/ton said:

HTP99 said:

No doubt one of those wtf moments for dealer staff; some deluded high up bod at Vauxhall has decided and is convinced that "this will upset the established players, Vauxhall need this and it will work",

You do realise Vauxhall is just GM these days... well since 1925 at least.

Alright, someone at GM then; FFS!!

[Truckosaurus]

300bhp/ton said:

Truckosaurus said:

300bhp/ton said:

Really? Did you understand the question?

It is well known the F1 didn't achieve the planned number of sales. Hence it being made into a racing car which wasn't in the original plan.

I couldn't see any mention of this on Wiki when looking, do you have something referenceable?

from http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/classic/mclaren-f1...

Gordon Murray said:

...we decided we would stop after 150...

Telegraph article said:

In the end, 106 F1s were produced and of that total only 64 were pure road cars as originally envisaged by Murray.

[Dazed and Confused]

300bhp/ton said:

Integroo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

To be fair, the Tesla Model S is cheaper, and is a four door saloon so competes in a different market than a sports car.

Completely agree, it's a bit like saying Ford sell more Fiesta's than Mazda does MX-5's... therefore the MX-5 doesn't sell well.

Would you say 2000 i8 sales across the whole of Europe in a year is a success?

[swisstoni]

It's a surprise certainly

[300bhp/ton]

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Integroo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

To be fair, the Tesla Model S is cheaper, and is a four door saloon so competes in a different market than a sports car.

Completely agree, it's a bit like saying Ford sell more Fiesta's than Mazda does MX-5's... therefore the MX-5 doesn't sell well.

Would you say 2000 i8 sales across the whole of Europe in a year is a success?

Would you say it isn't? How many do you think should have been sold?

[floggyploggy]

Honda Accord

[Dazed and Confused]

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Integroo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

To be fair, the Tesla Model S is cheaper, and is a four door saloon so competes in a different market than a sports car.

Completely agree, it's a bit like saying Ford sell more Fiesta's than Mazda does MX-5's... therefore the MX-5 doesn't sell well.

Would you say 2000 i8 sales across the whole of Europe in a year is a success?

Would you say it isn't? How many do you think should have been sold?

What's it got to do with me? Do you really think BMW will be happy with those numbers?

[Jimmy Recard]

300bhp/ton said:

You do realise Vauxhall is just GM these days... well since 1925 at least.

The distinction is fairly irrelevant - Vauxhall is the name in the UK for those cars. As such most would recognise the meaning of the statement. Vauxhall would be recognised by more UK residents than GM, so really it's less helpful to describe it as GM

[Integroo]

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Integroo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

300bhp/ton said:

Dazed and Confused said:

Tankrizzo said:

Dazed and Confused said:

BMW i8

Don't get that, that's like saying Aventadors never sold well.

I don't think they've been the success BMW were hoping and the Lambo is three times the price.

Can you share some light on the projected sales figures vs actual? Or where are you coming to this conclusion from?

List price is £105,000 for the i8. In nobodies world is that going to be a mass market car. Let alone that it's a coupe, so limited use and more niche and electric/hybrid so more niche again.

Looks like BMW have sold over 1600 of them in 2 years or so in the UK according to here:
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/family/bmw_i8

Article on sales in the US claims they sold just 190 a month in 2015, compared to 2300 Tesla Model S. Total sales for 2016 for the whole of Europe were around 2000 i8s.


www.autoblog.com/2016/01/15/bmw-i8-wait-but-why/

carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/bmw/bmw-i8/

To be fair, the Tesla Model S is cheaper, and is a four door saloon so competes in a different market than a sports car.

Completely agree, it's a bit like saying Ford sell more Fiesta's than Mazda does MX-5's... therefore the MX-5 doesn't sell well.

Would you say 2000 i8 sales across the whole of Europe in a year is a success?

Would you say it isn't? How many do you think should have been sold?

What's it got to do with me? Do you really think BMW will be happy with those numbers?

I don't know. I would compare it against 911's, Vantage's, R8's etc. I would also expect lower sales than any of those as it's a more niche product.

[bad company]

floggyploggy said:

Honda Accord

You need to be really old to have one of those.

[Fun Bus]

Wills2 said:

Joe5y said:

Wills2 said:

e60 M5 touring

I'd have one over any other car.

But BMW know you wouldn't walk in and drop 100k on a new F90 M5 hence they don't make them.

But it's due to be launched isn't it? And Alpina have soon stepped up with an F90 and F91 B5.

[jamespink]

LordHaveMurci said:

Vauxhall Signum.

City Rover or whatever it was called.

Audi A2 never sold very well did it?

The A2 was a brilliant car and in many respects is far better than anything Audi offers now. The issue was they were "witheringly expensive" when on sale. They were almost all alloy, rode well and very economic. I think they still look good... just Audi's greed stopped them selling.

[sjj84]

Before reading this thread I didn't realise they did a mk6 golf r convertible. Can't recall seeing many of any mark of golf convertible over the years.

Surprisingly only seen one evoque convertible, I'd have thought they'd have sold in greater numbers. Hateful looking thing, should never have been realised.