RE: Cars we won't regret going electric: Speed Matters
Discussion
RayTay said:
f oil is used only to extract the beneficial properties, little would be wasted. Currently most is wasted as most is used for burning. It also ruins our lungs and planet.
The Shah of Iran said, `Oil is too valuable to burn.` Most of products made from oil can be made using other natural resources.
The western world is gearing up for EVs.
Ray, you might want to put down your bible and pick up a basic guide to fractional distillation. The Shah of Iran said, `Oil is too valuable to burn.` Most of products made from oil can be made using other natural resources.
The western world is gearing up for EVs.
Edited by RayTay on Sunday 9th July 13:51
GT119 said:
I happen to agree with SOME of what you say.
However, I don't feel the need to insult EVERYONE
I have not insulted anyone at all. If I did you would know it. However, I don't feel the need to insult EVERYONE
DonkeyApple said:
Ray, you might want to put down your bible and pick up a basic guide to fractional distillation.
Or I might want to look at the real world. Edited by RayTay on Sunday 9th July 17:34
RayTay said:
GT119 said:
I happen to agree with SOME of what you say.
However, I don't feel the need to insult EVERYONE
I have not insulted anyone at all. If I did you would know it. However, I don't feel the need to insult EVERYONE
DonkeyApple said:
Ray, you might want to put down your bible and pick up a basic guide to fractional distillation.
Or I might want to look at the real world. Edited by RayTay on Sunday 9th July 17:34
Note transport is currently a 14% contributor to greenhouse gases, while all energy is 35%. Transport includes aviation, and shipping let's not forget, the former pumping it high up into the sky which I imagine is less good news as there aren't so many trees at 38k ft (no doubt someone will tell me it doesn't work like that!). And let's not forget energy stored in batteries has to be generated somewhere...er...so let's build more wind farms, they are popular and highly efficient. The point is I can't help but think the car's contribution to the global warming problem is being disproportionately treated by the environmental lobby, whether in terms of transport specifically, or in the context energy generation more generally (a much bigger problem).
Sure Ray Tay I imagine you are of the view none of this should exist, and we all go back to the dark ages. Alternatively as you say we "look at the facts" and recognise that the dear old ICE (esp petrol powered) car may not quite be the source of the issue in the way so many environmentalists would have us believe. The facts also being that catalytic converters already take out a lot of other noxious substances, and that you can probably offset the co2 via the replanting of a few rainforests. Don't get me wrong, I will happily buy into the next car which shows an advance in capability (in all senses) but I'm sorry but I'm not convinced the EV version is it.
Today, Musk shared a picture of the first production Model 3 via Twitter. The completely underwhelmingly styled Model 3 will begin delivery on July 28 with a price tag starting at $35000. Whether or not this new car will help or hinder last year's $889m loss by Tesla remains to be seen.
Cold said:
Whether or not this new car will help or hinder last year's $889m loss by Tesla remains to be seen.
The operating profit is irrelevant, the company is worth many billions of dollars and is not insolvent.How much money do you think Amazon made for years from their marketplace of fidget spinners?
Tesla is part of the solution and the news from Volvo this week and the behaviour of other manufacturers only proves it.
ICE engines in new cars will be gone within 15 years.
Cold said:
Today, Musk shared a picture of the first production Model 3 via Twitter. The completely underwhelmingly styled Model 3 will begin delivery on July 28 with a price tag starting at $35000. Whether or not this new car will help or hinder last year's $889m loss by Tesla remains to be seen.
Not exactly ground-breaking styling, but it is neat.Cold said:
Today, Musk shared a picture of the first production Model 3 via Twitter. The completely underwhelmingly styled Model 3 will begin delivery on July 28 with a price tag starting at $35000. Whether or not this new car will help or hinder last year's $889m loss by Tesla remains to be seen.
Nice SsangYong.I think the mass market adoption of EVs will come with the advent of workable glass-electrolyte batteries, which are could have double or triple the range of lithium-ion batteries and charging times of minutes rather than hours. They are currently being developed by one of the creators of the lithium-ion battery (John Goodenough, now 94!) If the battery technology could allow 600 mile ranges and 10 minute charge times, then the discussion of charging at home becomes insignificant as charging could be done a 'charging stations' in the same way as filling up with petrol and the range anxiety lots of people have with EVs would be greatly reduced.
Edited by Snails on Sunday 9th July 22:07
Dazed and Confused said:
RayTay said:
Dazed and Confused said:
EVs neither save you money or the planet.
Drivel. All evidence points the other way. 
Snails said:
I think the mass market adoption of EVs will come with the advent of workable glass-electrolyte batteries, which are could have double or triple the range of lithium-ion batteries and charging times of minutes rather than hours. They are currently being developed by one of the creators of the lithium-ion battery (John Goodenough, now 94!) If the battery technology could allow 600 mile ranges and 10 minute charge times, then the discussion of charging at home becomes insignificant as charging could be done a 'charging stations' in the same way as filling up with petrol and the range anxiety lots of people have with EVs would be greatly reduced.
I certainly believe that the EV movement will remain bank rolled by taxpayers and given synthetic competitive advantage through legislation while the power source remains Li. Edited by Snails on Sunday 9th July 22:07
Battery performance has come a very long way in recent years but the storage density is still too low and the cost too high for EVs to actually yet be commercially competitive.
Whether the core benefits of moving air pollution away from high density populations and slashing noise pollution outweigh that cost is a key debate and something some legislators have arguably lost sight of with their wishful belief that their date targets for total urban conversions will or can be met. Arguably the biggest threat to the taxpayer underwritten EV market moving forward in the West is the interest rate cycle. If that reaches the point where people are struggling to keep their homes while being exp cited to continue underwriting this revolution then dates are going to be slipped somewhat.
The absolute key is that taxpayers have had a close run majority and tolerance to underwriting the purchases of 100,000 early adopters but can anyone see this holding when it's 1 or 2 million needing to be subsidised? Of course not. To get to those kind of user numbers the product must be self sufficient and competitive on its own merits and the key to that for EVs is purely the cost of and the performance of batteries. Nothing else is actually of any relevance in reality.
Politically the environmental argument currently outweighs the political horror of the poorest taxpayers subsidising a handful of rich, white, middle class consumers to have fun with a new toy. It won't stand up against half a million such consumers let alone the millions that politicians dream of. Commercial viability is absolutely essential and the only hurdle to reaching critical mass or 'tipping point'.
kambites said:
You certainly couldn't call it pretty.
I can overlook that for the convenience it offers though, we'll be looking to buy one when they become available second-hand.
I quite like the shape however there is no pleasing some folk.I can overlook that for the convenience it offers though, we'll be looking to buy one when they become available second-hand.
i3 Leaf, ---- Ugly unconventional
So here is a conventional looking saloon car which without a badge could pass for pretty much any brand----- ugly conventional
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