RE: Behold the new Toyota Supra!
Discussion
J4CKO said:
We are a bit spoilt these days and have got used to years and years of incremental power increases, to the point a 340 bhp sports coupe isnt enough, the answer is that really, its plenty of power, if you can get from zero to a ban in under ten seconds then its going some.
You can get a ban in a 90 HP Fiesta, that is not the point.340 HP was sufficient back in 1992, the game has moved on and the power levels here can be found in sub £35k 4WD hot hatches - this car is £50k-£60k+
A car is produced and sold with a specific market in mind, however once on the street or a weekend on the track, it is open season and pretty much anything modern running on petrol will trouble the Supra driver.
Pretty much general consensus is this car is the new RX-8 in regards to the scale of disappointment and the lack of ambition from the Japanese.
J4CKO said:
How much would be enough ?
Nissan, Porsche, Chevrolet offerings were well over 400 horse power, back in 2008! aka_kerrly said:
oilit said:
PBDirector said:
couldnt hear him thru that perma smileBack to the Supra. I don't think there's anything I can add to this thread. I agree with the general consensus that it's a complete munter and Toyota have missed a huge opportunity. Shame.
TwinExit said:
J4CKO said:
We are a bit spoilt these days and have got used to years and years of incremental power increases, to the point a 340 bhp sports coupe isnt enough, the answer is that really, its plenty of power, if you can get from zero to a ban in under ten seconds then its going some.
You can get a ban in a 90 HP Fiesta, that is not the point.340 HP was sufficient back in 1992, the game has moved on and the power levels here can be found in sub £35k 4WD hot hatches - this car is £50k-£60k+
A car is produced and sold with a specific market in mind, however once on the street or a weekend on the track, it is open season and pretty much anything modern running on petrol will trouble the Supra driver.
Pretty much general consensus is this car is the new RX-8 in regards to the scale of disappointment and the lack of ambition from the Japanese.
J4CKO said:
How much would be enough ?
Nissan, Porsche, Chevrolet offerings were well over 400 horse power, back in 2008! racing on the street at traffic lights - ok for kids, and probably many who should no better, doesn't interest me so much. Track power is a thing (i gave up trackdays and went racing after my last time in a 182 Trophy at Brands Indy - spent all my time indicating); but weight is as big a thing.... my racecar has 200bhp and would see off a 918 and a Senna at any circuit - but that's off on a tangent.
buyers are more hung up on the experience, which mostly is going to be how it reviews as not many will drive it before ordering, and the image it projects. How a still quite heavy Z4 based car is going to excel as a driving experience the same way the Alpine apparently does i doubt - plus it looks awful. So i think a miss on both.
because of racing, i gave up being interest in power in roadcars - and now prefer wafty comfy barges, and buying second cars that appreciate so i can feel smug about cost of ownership. I did drive a Mk2 MX5 for the first time at the weekend - and now all of a sudden i'm researching GT86s. Being able to slide a car at road legal speeds on a commute - actually fun. Having a top trump car you can brag about : not fun.
anyway - if there is a point to this, it's that had the Supra came out looking like the concept, reviewed well, but still had 335bhp - it would be just footnote. as it doesn't, it's just another thing to add to the long list of negatives...
Reservation holders were invited to configure our cars today (though only option seems to be special edition A90 which is sold out, and on the normal Premium car just choice of colour).
But looking at the picture of the car next to a pricetag of £54,710... I’d rather have another gorgeous looking, sounding, and driving, manual F type... than an ugly reskin of a BMW with a Toyota badge.
Sorry Toyota. I wanted to want it.
But looking at the picture of the car next to a pricetag of £54,710... I’d rather have another gorgeous looking, sounding, and driving, manual F type... than an ugly reskin of a BMW with a Toyota badge.
Sorry Toyota. I wanted to want it.
DanielSan said:
Super street mag have already shown in a Photoshop how easy it is for this to become a stunning looking car. Like the GT86 just change the gash standard wheels and lower it slightly. TE37's make everything better...
That does look better for sure. The standard arch gap seems a bit excessive so a drop is pleasing, and those rims certainly look more purposeful too. This Supra appears more hardcore and agressive than it's rivals, I hope the driving dynamics match up and it's suitably focused behind the wheel.DanielSan said:
Super street mag have already shown in a Photoshop how easy it is for this to become a stunning looking car. Like the GT86 just change the gash standard wheels and lower it slightly. TE37's make everything better...
Surely that’s cheating, you can make any car look good by lowering it and putting wheels on it.I don’t think a Cayman is a pretty car, not really yet you never see any of them modified in any way what so ever, I don’t think I’ve seen ANY Porsche for that matter with aftermarket wheels or springs unless it’s a track car. To me, a car doesn’t have to be pretty, it just needs to have the right proportions and the right height/wheel size/camber...I.e Stance, like an F8x M3/M4.
Maybe the power for the Supra was limited by a deal between BMW and Toyota?
If this came with 380-400 bhp, it may have stole M2 Compeition buyers away, everybody here is comparing it to the M2 C, saying it costs more with less power, what if it had more power or the same, with the better setup and better rigitiy.
I’m just disappointed in the fact that it was developed with BMW. The Japanese know how to make a performance car, even using a Civic as a base, the EK9 or EP3 for example, the R35 GTR...I love it when they make a great car and stick a middle finger to zee Germans and anger Porsche, it’s exciting when that happens but unfortunately I feel as if this car has been limited in a few ways like power on BMW’s terms. It will never be legendary like other Japanese sports cars.
If this came with 380-400 bhp, it may have stole M2 Compeition buyers away, everybody here is comparing it to the M2 C, saying it costs more with less power, what if it had more power or the same, with the better setup and better rigitiy.
I’m just disappointed in the fact that it was developed with BMW. The Japanese know how to make a performance car, even using a Civic as a base, the EK9 or EP3 for example, the R35 GTR...I love it when they make a great car and stick a middle finger to zee Germans and anger Porsche, it’s exciting when that happens but unfortunately I feel as if this car has been limited in a few ways like power on BMW’s terms. It will never be legendary like other Japanese sports cars.
TwinExit said:
J4CKO said:
We are a bit spoilt these days and have got used to years and years of incremental power increases, to the point a 340 bhp sports coupe isnt enough, the answer is that really, its plenty of power, if you can get from zero to a ban in under ten seconds then its going some.
You can get a ban in a 90 HP Fiesta, that is not the point.340 HP was sufficient back in 1992, the game has moved on and the power levels here can be found in sub £35k 4WD hot hatches - this car is £50k-£60k+
A car is produced and sold with a specific market in mind, however once on the street or a weekend on the track, it is open season and pretty much anything modern running on petrol will trouble the Supra driver.
Pretty much general consensus is this car is the new RX-8 in regards to the scale of disappointment and the lack of ambition from the Japanese.
J4CKO said:
How much would be enough ?
Nissan, Porsche, Chevrolet offerings were well over 400 horse power, back in 2008! 'Pretty much general consensus is this car is the new RX-8' General consensus of f
king who lol?..... jaysus PHChestrockwell said:
DanielSan said:
Super street mag have already shown in a Photoshop how easy it is for this to become a stunning looking car. Like the GT86 just change the gash standard wheels and lower it slightly. TE37's make everything better...
Surely that’s cheating, you can make any car look good by lowering it and putting wheels on it.I don’t think a Cayman is a pretty car, not really yet you never see any of them modified in any way what so ever, I don’t think I’ve seen ANY Porsche for that matter with aftermarket wheels or springs unless it’s a track car. To me, a car doesn’t have to be pretty, it just needs to have the right proportions and the right height/wheel size/camber...I.e Stance, like an F8x M3/M4.
Chestrockwell said:
Surely that’s cheating, you can make any car look good by lowering it and putting wheels on it.
I don’t think a Cayman is a pretty car, not really yet you never see any of them modified in any way what so ever, I don’t think I’ve seen ANY Porsche for that matter with aftermarket wheels or springs unless it’s a track car. To me, a car doesn’t have to be pretty, it just needs to have the right proportions and the right height/wheel size/camber...I.e Stance, like an F8x M3/M4.
Cheating maybe but it show the potential. Yes I agree that you don't tend to see many modified Porsche's, Japanese performance cars on the other hand... Are there any that are standard? The mk4 Supra has become legendary mainly because of it's tuning potential, same with Skyline GTR's, etc. I'm sure it won't be too long until we see these GR Supra's with wheels, coilovers, remaps, and various other tuning mod's.I don’t think a Cayman is a pretty car, not really yet you never see any of them modified in any way what so ever, I don’t think I’ve seen ANY Porsche for that matter with aftermarket wheels or springs unless it’s a track car. To me, a car doesn’t have to be pretty, it just needs to have the right proportions and the right height/wheel size/camber...I.e Stance, like an F8x M3/M4.
DanielSan said:
It's a replacement for one of the most modified cars ever to have existed, Toyota weren't shy about encouraging people to modify the 86, I can't see the new Supra not being the same. It's not cheating, it's showing what the market it's realistically aimed at can do for less than the discount you'd get off a new one
The BMW hardware and software just won't allow itself even a shadow of the potential of the JZ engined cars in terms of modification. It just goes to show that there limited edition model is purely cosmetic.GoodCompany said:
The BMW hardware and software just won't allow itself even a shadow of the potential of the JZ engined cars in terms of modification. It just goes to show that there limited edition model is purely cosmetic.
Have you seen the power tuners are managing with these 35/40 BMW 6's? Even on standard internals there's cars at 600bhp plus with fairly basic bolt on's Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff