Porsche 718 4.0 GTS - the flat-six is back!

[bennno]

SidewaysSi said:

GT3 is a different level to the GT4. I don't buy into the "poor man's" anything but a "proper" 911 is a far more engaging thing than any Cayman.

I would rather an Alpine or Elise as a driver's car than this.

Unless you have owned and driven a Gt4 or Gt3 then I'd wager i'm better placed to comment than you. The Cayman GT4 is hugely engaging IMHO.

Gt3 is a different pricing level also from a GT4. I've had two Elises previously and think they are a great drivers car also, but different.

[av185]

Plate spinner said:

For me, the Cayman is just a better sized road sports car than the 991 onwards.

Mirror to mirror the 991 911 is exactly the same width as the 981 Cayster.

Mirror to mirror the 718 Cayster is 16mm wider.

[anonymous-user]

Which is what made 981 a significant leap forward after the previous bitsa cars. Designed as a mid-engine two seater right from the start.

Gotta hand it to Porsche, re-introducing the 981 and charging 50% more for it!

[tuffer]

I specced one up at £77K, which is £3K short of what I paid for my 997 GTS new in 2011 (after £10K discount). I think it still looks good value even at that price as it is a decent spec, great engine and should hold it's value pretty well.

[Plate spinner]

av185 said:

Plate spinner said:

For me, the Cayman is just a better sized road sports car than the 991 onwards.

Mirror to mirror the 991 911 is exactly the same width as the 981 Cayster.

Mirror to mirror the 718 Cayster is 16mm wider.

True, but that’s just one metric. The cayman is the smaller / lighter car.

[Carl_Manchester]

rockin said:

Which is what made 981 a significant leap forward after the previous bitsa cars. Designed as a mid-engine two seater right from the start.

Gotta hand it to Porsche, re-introducing the 981 and charging 50% more for it!

to be fair Porsche have re-introduced the 981 with an engine better than any 911 you can currently order.

It is a bit of a game changer that, if i had known for sure that the NA engine would return, i would have bet the house on a de-turboed 3L based on previous Porsche senior management obsession with hating on the Cayman.

To place a 4L NA engine into the mid-engined car when the 992 gets the rum deal is a break from the past, it would appear even the 992 GTS is not going to get this engine, how cool is that ?

[nickfrog]

rockin said:

Gotta hand it to Porsche, re-introducing the 981 and charging 50% more for it!

How much was a new 981 GTS? Was it as low as £43k base?

[Plate spinner]

nickfrog said:

rockin said:

Gotta hand it to Porsche, re-introducing the 981 and charging 50% more for it!

How much was a new 981 GTS? Was it as low as £43k base?

Exactly... some of the comparisons made do highlight a certain... ignorance to the product offerings.

[jason61c]

So a bit of man maths......

If you were to buy one, a few options at £70k.

Do 30000 miles over 2 years, what sort of money would it 'loose'?

[Durzel]

~30%

[budding911man]

Coming from the 'less is more' world.... for eveyday motoring - I'm looking forward to bagging a 4cyl 718 Cayman once noone wants them anymore - still terrific handling coupe and efficient enought to use regularly or tour a long way in it. Coming from the transaxle era my 968S was much the same - not the greatest sounding motor but more than adequate performance and on the right A or B road - brilliant! I did run an air-cooled 993 4S for 8 years - a beautiful thing to behold, but I was too precious with that, hardly used it, and typical 15-20mpg on Super U/L in my experience I do not miss. the 2.0/4turbo 718 can be applauded at nearly 300hp and quite possibly 40mpg in regular use... that's what I want to try next (for sub £20k a few years from now will make it an ideal practical toy All that said its great to see the GTS 4.0 and obviously GT4 & Spyder are epic bits of kit for the fortunate few at the moment. Whatever you get into - enjoy, and well done with all the comments on this model - great to read, thanks.

[Johnniem]

jason61c said:

So a bit of man maths......

If you were to buy one, a few options at £70k.

Do 30000 miles over 2 years, what sort of money would it 'loose'?

Take comfort in the fact that a pal of mine visited a sports car specialist in Rutland recently and found a lovely Lambo with 500 miles on the clock. It was immaculate but had lost £60k over those miles. Similarly, there was a 600LT McLaren there with 600 miles up. Also lost £60k in depreciation. That's £100 per mile. I think we Cayster owners have it good (mostly!).

[bennno]

Johnniem said:

jason61c said:

So a bit of man maths......

If you were to buy one, a few options at £70k.

Do 30000 miles over 2 years, what sort of money would it 'loose'?

Take comfort in the fact that a pal of mine visited a sports car specialist in Rutland recently and found a lovely Lambo with 500 miles on the clock. It was immaculate but had lost £60k over those miles. Similarly, there was a 600LT McLaren there with 600 miles up. Also lost £60k in depreciation. That's £100 per mile. I think we Cayster owners have it good (mostly!).

I bought a 456 ferrari a few years back from a main dealer that had lost its original owner 120k in 3500 miles..... yikes

[tuffer]

bennno said:

Johnniem said:

jason61c said:

So a bit of man maths......

If you were to buy one, a few options at £70k.

Do 30000 miles over 2 years, what sort of money would it 'loose'?

Take comfort in the fact that a pal of mine visited a sports car specialist in Rutland recently and found a lovely Lambo with 500 miles on the clock. It was immaculate but had lost £60k over those miles. Similarly, there was a 600LT McLaren there with 600 miles up. Also lost £60k in depreciation. That's £100 per mile. I think we Cayster owners have it good (mostly!).

I bought a 456 ferrari a few years back from a main dealer that had lost its original owner 120k in 3500 miles..... yikes

Genuine question, how has it faired since then?

[WCZ]

bennno said:

I bought a 456 ferrari a few years back from a main dealer that had lost its original owner 120k in 3500 miles..... yikes

there's loads of examples of this now from people who bought at the top of the market:

997 4.0 RS - people bought at £600k as an investment, added 50 miles or so and lost £200k
911 R - same thing
La Ferrari Arpeta has gone down lots too

many people have lost £100k on their well spec'd 720's in a year

[TimoMak]

fk all this European stuff, when are we signing the US / UK trade deal so I can get one of these at US prices... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/chevrolet/cor...

[av185]

WCZ said:

bennno said:

I bought a 456 ferrari a few years back from a main dealer that had lost its original owner 120k in 3500 miles..... yikes

there's loads of examples of this now from people who bought at the top of the market:

997 4.0 RS - people bought at £600k as an investment, added 50 miles or so and lost £200k
911 R - same thing
La Ferrari Arpeta has gone down lots too

many people have lost £100k on their well spec'd 720's in a year

A couple of the initial 991.2 GT2 RS were flipped and sold for £750k.

These are now c£320k.

[nickfrog]

TimoMak said:

fk all this European stuff, when are we signing the US / UK trade deal so I can get one of these at US prices... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/chevrolet/cor...

Do you reckon the agreement will also include scrapping VAT?

[av185]

anonymous said:

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Quite.

But stupidity has no limits.

[blueg33]

nickfrog said:

TimoMak said:

fk all this European stuff, when are we signing the US / UK trade deal so I can get one of these at US prices... https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/chevrolet/cor...

Do you reckon the agreement will also include scrapping VAT?

No. The UK has always had control over VAT rates in fact EU law would allow it to be 15% but the UK government decided it should currently be 20% and VAT was in existence before the EU it was called purchase tax and changed its name in 1973.

For a while purchase tax was over 66% in the UK.

Tory governments have typically been the ones to increase VAT, so I doubt they will scrap VAT