RE: The new BMW M3 Touring has officially arrived

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

nickfrog said:

Superflow said:

I gave my opinion if others don’t it like you have to be an adult ignore it and move on otherwise you end up with thousands and thousands of posts...oh hang on.

Yes sure, I am a big fan of the plurality of opinions.

You don't like the way it looks. I find that different people like different car designs as there is a strong subjectivity to it all. Besides, it's also entirely possible to like the way a car drives despite their looks, but if you can't see past the looks, that's totally fine.

You think it's poor value. And it may well be for you. But if you had come up with an example of a new 4wd 500ps estate that is better value then your opinion would have some credibility.

Yes, I've asked twice now for a considerably cheaper alternative to this estate car which has 500+bhp and has this level of performance but twice I've had no reply.

[Baldchap]

liner33 said:

Baldchap said:

I drove a 2019 M4, tried to get into an Alpina but they were useless, although I read much praise for the suspension. The M4 was honestly horrible at anything other than 10/10ths. Is 2019 the current generation or the one before? My RS4 is coming up to 3 years so I'll soon be looking...

You drove the old F series and yes the ride isn't great on those but the G series is an entirely different car, its no Alpina as its a track capable car but the ride is excellent imo none of the previous generation issues

I'll take a look at the new one. Thanks for the heads-up.

[Baldchap]

cerb4.5lee said:

Baldchap said:

BMW suspension in the UK? No thanks. And does it have the M4 gearbox? Again, utterly unacceptable in a car at this price point.

Are you saying that the ZF8 auto is unacceptable and you'd prefer a DCT then?

The ride is very harsh(sometimes annoying) in my F82 M4, however I believe that the ride has been improved in the G8x cars though.

It was a 2019 M4. The gearbox was jerky as hell at low speeds. I believe it was a DCT, but don't quote me on that.

By all accounts, later models are better, so I'll take a look at this new M3 Touring when I come to change, possibly later this year.

[Superflow]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Yes, I've asked twice now for a considerably cheaper alternative to this estate car which has 500+bhp and has this level of performance but twice I've had no reply.

It could have 800bhp you still cannot use them on the road and has a small boot ,the price is poor value for a sporty version of the touring as I think most would agree.

[Lucky_Jim]

Looks good ( apart from the front obviously) , but with it starting at 148k EUR here, my thoughts on the matter are largely academic :/

[nickfrog]

Superflow said:

It could have 800bhp you still cannot use them on the road and has a small boot ,the price is poor value for a sporty version of the touring as I think most would agree.

You're probably confusing absolute and relative value.

[Superflow]

Lucky_Jim said:

Looks good ( apart from the front obviously) , but with it starting at 148k EUR here, my thoughts on the matter are largely academic :/

148k EUR I don’t think we’ll be seeing many on the block.

[Leon R]

Superflow said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

Yes, I've asked twice now for a considerably cheaper alternative to this estate car which has 500+bhp and has this level of performance but twice I've had no reply.

It could have 800bhp you still cannot use them on the road and has a small boot ,the price is poor value for a sporty version of the touring as I think most would agree.

So this is bad value but equally there is nothing that represents good value.

Also BMW m3 Touring has 500 litres with the seats up, or 1,510 with them down.

Audi RS4 has 505 litres with the seats up, or 1,510 with them down.

Mercedes C63 has 490 litres with the seats up, or 1,510 with them down.

Edited by Leon R on Thursday 23 June 12:10

[cerb4.5lee]

Baldchap said:

cerb4.5lee said:

Baldchap said:

BMW suspension in the UK? No thanks. And does it have the M4 gearbox? Again, utterly unacceptable in a car at this price point.

Are you saying that the ZF8 auto is unacceptable and you'd prefer a DCT then?

The ride is very harsh(sometimes annoying) in my F82 M4, however I believe that the ride has been improved in the G8x cars though.

It was a 2019 M4. The gearbox was jerky as hell at low speeds. I believe it was a DCT, but don't quote me on that.

By all accounts, later models are better, so I'll take a look at this new M3 Touring when I come to change, possibly later this year.

You will prefer the ZF8 auto that is in the current generation(this one) then. The 2019 M4 model you tried would've been the DCT. I have the DCT in my 2018 model M4 and it can be very clumsy at low speeds as you say. I do like how quick the gear changes are in its fastest setting when you are pushing on though.

[Maxus]

As a BMW fan and appreciating fast estates it's no surprise that I think that looks superb. The rear views are exactly as I had hoped they would be. Look forward to seeing it at Goodwood tomorrow.

The conservative bit of me thinks over time I would tire of the MPG and harshness on our roads. Would love a drive of one to find out.

[nickfrog]

Superflow said:

148k EUR I don’t think we’ll be seeing many on the block.

It really depends what a RS4 costs in that particular (and seemingly high tax) market.

Another relative vs absolute thing that escapes you.

[HighwayStar]

Baldchap said:

liner33 said:

Baldchap said:

BMW suspension in the UK? No thanks. And does it have the M4 gearbox? Again, utterly unacceptable in a car at this price point.

I'd have the Alpina over this (because they set the suspension up properly) and the RS4 over that (because they don't look like a Rover 75). I have enough track toys, the family estate is for dog duty and long sprints down to Spain, where BMWs car setup soon gets very old.

Have you driven this generation of M3/M4 ?

I drove a 2019 M4, tried to get into an Alpina but they were useless, although I read much praise for the suspension. The M4 was honestly horrible at anything other than 10/10ths. Is 2019 the current generation or the one before? My RS4 is coming up to 3 years so I'll soon be looking...

The G8x’s have the ZF8 box, same as that in the RS4

[liner33]

HighwayStar said:

The G8x’s have the ZF8 box, same as that in the RS4

I assumed the RS4 would be dsg

[Superflow]

nickfrog said:

It really depends what a RS4 costs in that particular (and seemingly high tax) market.

Another relative vs absolute thing that escapes you.

Not really.It is bad value here and bad value there.Nothing is escaping.

[Baldchap]

liner33 said:

HighwayStar said:

The G8x’s have the ZF8 box, same as that in the RS4

I assumed the RS4 would be dsg

It's an olde fashioned torque converter in my 2019 RS4 (I think the current facelift is mechanically very similar). As I understand it with the latest batch of silly power 'normal' cars it isn't cost effective to fit DCTs that can handle the torque.

[Baldchap]

cerb4.5lee said:

You will prefer the ZF8 auto that is in the current generation(this one) then. The 2019 M4 model you tried would've been the DCT. I have the DCT in my 2018 model M4 and it can be very clumsy at low speeds as you say. I do like how quick the gear changes are in its fastest setting when you are pushing on though.

It was a fantastic car when giving it the beans, no doubt, but as my daily it would have annoyed me.

[liner33]

Baldchap said:

It's an olde fashioned torque converter in my 2019 RS4 (I think the current facelift is mechanically very similar). As I understand it with the latest batch of silly power 'normal' cars it isn't cost effective to fit DCTs that can handle the torque.

Yeah that was the argument for ditching it in the G8x

[cerb4.5lee]

Baldchap said:

cerb4.5lee said:

You will prefer the ZF8 auto that is in the current generation(this one) then. The 2019 M4 model you tried would've been the DCT. I have the DCT in my 2018 model M4 and it can be very clumsy at low speeds as you say. I do like how quick the gear changes are in its fastest setting when you are pushing on though.

It was a fantastic car when giving it the beans, no doubt, but as my daily it would have annoyed me.

I don't mind the DCT...but the ride definitely annoys me though! I couldn't test drive the car because I purchased it when the heavier lockdown rules were in place, but I think that if I had I might not have gone ahead with buying it.

It is a shame really, because the ride in the E92 M3 with EDC that I had was lovely in comparison.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Superflow said:

It could have 800bhp you still cannot use them on the road and has a small boot ,the price is poor value for a sporty version of the touring as I think most would agree.

I'll ask again, show me an estate with this level of performance which suggests this is poor value.

[nickfrog]

Superflow said:

nickfrog said:

It really depends what a RS4 costs in that particular (and seemingly high tax) market.

Another relative vs absolute thing that escapes you.

Not really.It is bad value here and bad value there.Nothing is escaping.

Probably poor value for you. But not necessarily for someone in this market as you have demonstrated that there is nothing cheaper that can compete.

In other words it may well be very poor value for someone like you in absolute terms but excellent value for someone else in this market, here or anywhere. It is relative, which quite clearly escapes you.