The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol 3

[Centurion07]

Apparently not everyone is aware that using the horn doesn't automatically override the brakes. It IS possible to do both at the same time.

As I and others have mentioned, there's a traffic island preventing the Pug from making any heroic swerve, AT SPEED don't forget, to the right, and you cannot possibly tell from that video the amount of braking effort going on before it comes into shot.

Am I aware of cars looking to join my lane from junctions like that and expecting them to pull out so I'm already prepared? Yes. Am I in a very tiny minority of drivers that do this? Yes.

Morgan is 100% to blame. 1. For thinking he could out-accelerate the Pug and 2. for fluffing his gearchange and leaving himself zero chance of doing so.

[JQ]

CoolC said:

j4ck100 said:

A classic case of "Volvo driver" for me the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U87eeF42HhQ&t=...

What did I miss?

That's 3 mins of my life I'll never get back.

[80sMatchbox]

Sump said:

Morgan clearly at fault, amazed anyone could think otherwise.

Since it is PH in 2017, I'm amazed there aren't more people siding with the Pug.

[Hungrymc]

Crafty_ said:

Ultimately the Morgan driver pulled in to a carriageway that wasn't clear. From the google map link above the Morgan drive would have seen the Peugeot, regardless of what speed it was doing.

Suggesting the Peugeot driver should have braked harder/more is kind of missing the point - the Morgan driver had the responsibility of safely joining the carriageway which he did not. If the Peugeot could have braked harder and had done so a collision might have been avoided, but the Morgan driver still hadn't joined safely.

It's 100% the Morgan's fault. The Pug driver appears to have not done everything they could to avoid the Morgan (there are loads of possible reasons for that - skill, panic, mechanical issue, the long shot of belligerence - it wasn't observations as the horn was pretty quick). It's interesting to note, and there is something to learn, but it doesn't change responsibility for the accident.

Most / many accidents have two contributors, this one no different. But the Morgan is clearly the one who's error started the chain of events and will be 100% at fault.

[DuraAce]

Sump said:

Morgan clearly at fault, amazed anyone could think otherwise.

Genuinely baffling that anyone could draw any other conclusion!

[Krikkit]

100% the Morgan's fault, but why didn't the Peugeot use the hatched area to avoid him? It used to be 2-lanes wide per Google Maps, so there's plenty of room to just overtake him with a blast of the horn and a coffee beans...

[vikingaero]

DuraAce said:

Sump said:

Morgan clearly at fault, amazed anyone could think otherwise.

Genuinely baffling that anyone could draw any other conclusion!

As others have said - defending a PH motor, having the humongous benefit of hindsight and making all sorts of claims. Those on here that do that are as bad as the DCWs themselves. Morgan = tt. Pug=who knows. Maybe they activated ABS, didn't have driving skills etc etc.

[bobbo89]

Stickyfinger said:

The Pug was on the anchors and had committed to try and avoid to the left, the Morgan pulled in front of him also on the left. The Pug was on the soft edge when he it the Morgan and would most likely of spun/crashed badly if he had tried to be more aggressive with a sharp manoeuvre at that speed.
How many Pugs of that type/age are driven by diving gods ? ( and was going over the suggested 50 limit I accept)

Dash cam/crash , just bks.

Spot on!

Pug already committed to going left whilst also on the brakes and the horn hoping the Morgan either doesn't pull out or keeps it in the hatching.

[Sump]

It's pretty obvious the Morgan driver doesn't even check the traffic and at 11 seconds you can clearly see the surprise in his head movement as to there being someone behind him.

[Engineer792]

Krikkit said:

100% the Morgan's fault, but why didn't the Peugeot use the hatched area to avoid him? It used to be 2-lanes wide per Google Maps, so there's plenty of room to just overtake him with a blast of the horn and a coffee beans...

Yes, it used to be two lanes before they reduced it to one by hatching out lane 2, and then planting a traffic island at the junction. Even the modicum of a filter lane which used to assist traffic turning right into the road is now gone.

Had they used a bit of intelligence, they might well have turned lane 2 into a right-turn only lane before the junction, and a filter lane after the junction.
Such a layout would be far more forgiving of such 'mistakes'

But no, they seem to think no further than how to slow traffic down, in the vain hope that doing so will improve safety.

Edited by Engineer792 on Saturday 15th April 09:14

[Garvin]

DuraAce said:

Sump said:

Morgan clearly at fault, amazed anyone could think otherwise.

Genuinely baffling that anyone could draw any other conclusion!

I'm not reading that anyone is not blaming the Morgan driver. What I am reading is that some are suggesting the Pug driver could have done more to mitigate the result - that is quite different from blaming the Pug driver for the incident.

[Vipers]

Garvin said:

DuraAce said:

Sump said:

Morgan clearly at fault, amazed anyone could think otherwise.

Genuinely baffling that anyone could draw any other conclusion!

I'm not reading that anyone is not blaming the Morgan driver. What I am reading is that some are suggesting the Pug driver could have done more to mitigate the result - that is quite different from blaming the Pug driver for the incident.

Mr average driver won't have much chance of missing another vehicle pulling out of a junction when your trucking along at x leptons, vid shows about three seconds before pulling out and impact. Cars don't stop in three seconds, but I think we have covered all angles here.

God knows why the Morgan driver pulled out except he must have not seen the pug coming, can't be that stupid to think he could accelerate that fast out of the way. Or showing off to the crowd and it went pear shaped.

[Centurion07]

Garvin said:

DuraAce said:

Sump said:

Morgan clearly at fault, amazed anyone could think otherwise.

Genuinely baffling that anyone could draw any other conclusion!

I'm not reading that anyone is not blaming the Morgan driver. What I am reading is that some are suggesting the Pug driver could have done more to mitigate the result - that is quite different from blaming the Pug driver for the incident.

Saying the Pug driver could've easily avoided it had he swerved/braked earlier/braked instead of being on the horn amounts to the same thing.

[Nickyboy]

I don't know if anyone has actually noticed but there is a big fk off traffic island at the start of the hatchings, no chance of the 206 taking the route to the right in order to avoid.

[Gary C]

ashleyman said:

I didn't want to scrape the front lip, curb a wheel or dent a side skirt. ALL of which has happened on that stupid speed bump. I usually straddle them all like you see later in the video but if you do it on that specific bump you risk damage. The passenger side skirt on my car is missing a line of paint where it dragged over the bump in the past so now I'm more cautious.

You straddled the first just as much as the second. Parked cars made no difference.

Admit it. Some knob was up your chuff so you went slower.

[j4ck100]

Does anyone think if the Morgan hadn't fluffed the gear change he'd have escaped? Doesn't look like it to me. Also potentially had some wheel spin on the dusty hatched area as he's taking off. But regardless, he's in the wrong. Wonder if he never saw the pug or just misjudged it's speed.

[Olf]

j4ck100 said:

Does anyone think if the Morgan hadn't fluffed the gear change he'd have escaped? Doesn't look like it to me. Also potentially had some wheel spin on the dusty hatched area as he's taking off. But regardless, he's in the wrong. Wonder if he never saw the pug or just misjudged it's speed.

Just trying to be a daring spitfire pilot in front of his chums. We all make mistakes but that was a biggun.

[Centurion07]

I would guess he saw the Pug but misjudged both it's speed and the distance he had to make before he joined that lane.

A smooth gearchange MAY have given the Pug just enough space to jink into the hatched lane but doubtful.

[ashleyman]

Gary C said:

ashleyman said:

I didn't want to scrape the front lip, curb a wheel or dent a side skirt. ALL of which has happened on that stupid speed bump. I usually straddle them all like you see later in the video but if you do it on that specific bump you risk damage. The passenger side skirt on my car is missing a line of paint where it dragged over the bump in the past so now I'm more cautious.

You straddled the first just as much as the second. Parked cars made no difference.

Admit it. Some knob was up your chuff so you went slower.

Nope. Would have been going that slow even if nobody was behind me.

[Drive Blind]

Morgan v Pug

Seems to be zero observation from the Morgan driver.

He's decided at the give way line that it's clear (when it's not) and he's pulling out. Even making that mistake a good driver would of had a 2nd look as they crossed the central reservation giving him a 2nd chance to see the Pug but he didn't bother looking there either.