Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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Ringing kits are new to me, but I found out about them when browsing Ebay and finding this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini-Mayfair-V5...
I assume this counts as a kit?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini-Mayfair-V5...
I assume this counts as a kit?
cv01jw said:
Ringing kits are new to me, but I found out about them when browsing Ebay and finding this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini-Mayfair-V5...
I assume this counts as a kit?
A blatant bloody one. Good find and welcome to the good fight. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Mini-Mayfair-V5...
I assume this counts as a kit?
This isn't the same, but listings like this would 9 times out of 10 be for a wrongful purpose, Shirley?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Blank-Service-Hist...
Any thoughts, OP?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Blank-Service-Hist...
Any thoughts, OP?
Why do we do what we do?
Because scum like this...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORRIS-MINI-MINOR-1960-...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-morris-mini-min...
...make it easy for criminals to get away with it.
Because scum like this...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MORRIS-MINI-MINOR-1960-...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/classic-morris-mini-min...
...make it easy for criminals to get away with it.
cv01jw said:
Me neither. 
I could be a title error and should say...
"Mk2 Ford Fiesta shell. Potential XR2 donor".
...or similar. I have asked what the log book says. If it's an XR2 log book and that's how they bought it they have been ripped off.
This article:
https://blog.motoringassist.com/general-motoring/c...
contains a DVLA email address which people can send details of V5C's being offered for sale. May be worth a try?
https://blog.motoringassist.com/general-motoring/c...
contains a DVLA email address which people can send details of V5C's being offered for sale. May be worth a try?
Am I missing something with these:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=...
The seller appears to have a well established shop selling car parts, but also lists a fair number of V5C's for sale.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=...
The seller appears to have a well established shop selling car parts, but also lists a fair number of V5C's for sale.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1025073
not a "real" ringer, but an incorrectly registered kitcar, still running on donor paperwork.
not a "real" ringer, but an incorrectly registered kitcar, still running on donor paperwork.
As are my two cars, except that you seem to have overlooked that since it was built in 1985 it is over 30 years old and as such has the right to be re-registered as it is now. I have done the same with my replica. Any replica built over 30 years ago on the V5 of an old car is MOT and tax exempt; In the day we did what was necessary to build a car and the DVLA did not object. I could have had mine re-registered then if I wanted but it wasn't necessary. Indeed, in one instance the manufacturer had the DVLA visit and inspect what they were doing and the inspector said that as far as they were concerned the cars were fine. No need to change the type of vehicle on the V5. This was at the end of the 1970s. So, now we have people such as you objecting without really looking into the subject and posting here. My car is now registered as the model it is, not the model it was before conversion 32 years ago, and as such, following a long discussion with the DVLA and a letter supporting my argument, it is now what it is on the V5. It is no longer an E-type but an XKSS, above board and fully legal. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Edited by lowdrag on Saturday 18th August 15:02
Liquid Knight said:
Remember...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282572104314
...it's the chassis number not the body number that is retained.
This is a radically altered chassis, series body and registered as an Austin so place your bets how legitimate any of the parts are.
For £30,000 it's not worth the risk of having it seized and destroyed.
As a side question. I thought the arches must cover the wheels to pass an MOT?https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282572104314
...it's the chassis number not the body number that is retained.
This is a radically altered chassis, series body and registered as an Austin so place your bets how legitimate any of the parts are.
For £30,000 it's not worth the risk of having it seized and destroyed.
lowdrag said:
As are my two cars, except that you seem to have overlooked that since it was built in 1985 it is over 30 years old and as such has the right to be re-registered as it is now. I have done the same with my replica. Any replica built over 30 years ago on the V5 of an old car is MOT and tax exempt; In the day we did what was necessary to build a car and the DVLA did not object. I could have had mine re-registered then if I wanted but it wasn't necessary. Indeed, in one instance the manufacturer had the DVLA visit and inspect what they were doing and the inspector said that as far as they were concerned the cars were fine. No need to change the type of vehicle on the V5. This was at the end of the 1970s. So, now we have people such as you objecting without really looking into the subject and posting here. My car is now registered as the model it is, not the model it was before conversion 32 years ago, and as such, following a long discussion with the DVLA and a letter supporting my argument, it is now what it is on the V5. It is no longer an E-type but an XKSS, above board and fully legal. Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.
if a kitcar was built ®istered in the old times by just using its donor identity it was fully leagal.Edited by lowdrag on Saturday 18th August 15:02
when SVA came into force (around 1996) there was an amnesty period where the owners should apply to correct the data´s in their v5c´s for the correct make and body type
for example: a westfield seven, which was running as 1972 escort convertible needed to be changed into "westfield" under make and the body type could be kept or changed into sports...
so the "new/correct" v5c would have stated:
1972 Westfield Sports
if you missed that amnesty period the car is nowadays considered as incorrectly registered, hence illegal.
this said, there is still a chance to correct the verhicles details with DVLA, if you can provide enougt facts that the car has been registered in that (wrong) way since plenty of years. if DVLA has a bad day they may ask you to pass a IVA test, if hey have a good day they will accept your enquiry....but to keep it as it is, its 100% illegal!!!
lowdrag said:
As are my two cars
lowdrag said:
My car is now registered as the model it is, not the model it was before conversion 32 years ago
lowdrag said:
It is no longer an E-type but an XKSS, above board and fully legal
Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Your car is registered correctly per the current approach, as you had it changed. If you had not, it might at some point cause an issue.I'd imagine that you had good supporting evidence of the age/provenance of the conversion in order to get the DVLA to agree that it was ok to be registered as such, now we're long past the aforementioned amnesty for such scenarios.
The reason it's worth people flagging up cars still registered as their donor, is that this is no longer a valid way to do it, and as the car won't pass the current inspection regime, you may be a bit stuck if someone has reason to say "that car claims to be an old Escort, and it blatantly isn't". Given that any such existing cars should have been reregistered correctly, how do you prove you didn't put it together last Tuesday, meaning it needs to go in for a test it'll likely never pass?
If you built it originally, or the car came with loads of records, it's entirely possible you can get this straightened out - my experiences of fixing documentation issues with the DVLA have been largely positive.
But if you don't have anything like that, it's possible you could be a little bit stuffed, and need to (expensively) rectify the car to be able to register it, or worst case not be able to at all.
Incorrectly registered and unfinished old kitcars could make life very difficult for whoever is left holding the bag when the music stops, and selling someone one in such a state if theyre not aware of this is a bit poor.
The fact you successfully amended the registration of something doesn't negate the minefield this stuff represents.
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