RE: Paris 2012: F-Type, full details

[Cyrus1971]

Like it, but definately 15 K too expensive for the entry level, and if it is as good as the same engined boxster I will eat my shorts.

[jameslavender98]

Good bye boxter/cayman/911.

I have always been a Jag chap and this is brilliant. Do you think the R S version will come soon, I'm gonna drive the 5 litre that you get in the XKR but really I am holding out for a sub 4 second 0-60 R S modal

[SpeedFloyd]

Much debate here about what are the real competitors for this new Jag but for me, it has created a bit of its own niche. a niche in between pure sport cars and GT. A bit of a mix between Porsche and Maserati or say Porsche and Aston.
If you take the sports car par, ie. the Porsche competition, it cannot be compared to the Boxster at all as it is more powerful and heavier so you look then at the 911 (despite no back seats etc) and you find out that only teh V8 version can take on teh Carrera S convertible. And that for a much lower price. But equally you will not thrash it on a back road.
Then you compare it to the GT car, say a Maserati grancabrio. And then it is much more sportier and less "fat".
it is somehow a mix between pure sports and GT car wthout being resolutely one or the other.

Do we know if they will or will not realease 1) an even sportier version with 500BHP+ and the option of a manual gearbox?
Doing this will clearly add teh (lacking) "sportcar" credentila.. (having said that I would not mind thrashing any of these on B-roads or route Napoleon..)

[CDP]

Guvernator said:

CDP said:

Guvernator said:

It could have been a slightly more focused and cheaper "sports car" rather than a pricey 2 seater GT but then I guess I'm not exactly the market audience that JLR are aiming for.

My guess is the GT86 is the place to look for an attractive lightweight cheaper back road coupe.

Err...no!

Jaguar aren't really going down the back road sports car route. They would have needed to make it much narrower to make sense which is a lot harder than shortening the wheelbase.

This is more a rival to an imaginary front engined Ferrari Dino replacement.

[Guvernator]

braddo said:

Guvernator said:

CDP said:

Guvernator said:

It could have been a slightly more focused and cheaper "sports car" rather than a pricey 2 seater GT but then I guess I'm not exactly the market audience that JLR are aiming for.

My guess is the GT86 is the place to look for an attractive lightweight cheaper back road coupe.

Err...no!

Sub-30k, I'd say yes. At the higher ranges it seems the Boxster remains the unassailable benchmark (frankly astounding value for the basic model with minimal options).

Sorry but I just can't get over the disappointment at what I feel is the unfulfilled potential of the GT86. As for the Boxster, yes you are spot on, it's the class leader no doubt but Porsche seem to have missed one very important trick that Jaguar have cottoned onto, it's not good looking enough. The newest version of the Boxster is a huge improvement but on looks alone it still doesn't make me lust after one like a good sportscar should and this is where the F-Type will win serious customers over from Porsche. The last good looking affordable sportscars were made by TVR, nothing since has caused the same feeling of lust for a hot two seater since until this F-Type, pity they got the price and some of the details which were hinted at and had us salivating a little wrong.

[braddo]

In terms of size/segment the F-type is a bit like the Maserati Spyder to the 4200.



Still a GT car (albeit apparently more focussed in the case of the Jag).

[Rawwr]

I see this is a new Z8 more than anything. Sitting somewhere between cruiser and sports car. I may be wrong.

[Ex Boy Racer]

BoostMonkey said:

theaxe said:

Not sure if this has been posted already but here's a link to a configurator

Thanks, just specced what I would like S/C V6 380 with options is £76,985.....Hummmm

over 86k for me...

[RTH]

When the E-Type went on sale in 1961 it was £2000 or just over 4 times the price of a basic Mini
According to this historical UK inflation calculator

http://safalra.com/other/historical-uk-inflation-p...

That equates to £38,000 in today's money

So with a start price of £58,000 they clearly want to keep demand low and keep it exclusive

[Cacatous]

• V6 Coupe
• Manual
• No sat nav crap
• Lightweight seats
• 18" wheels
• titanium exhaust
• Carbon fibre roof

F-Type Supersports. Done.

[PascalBuyens]

BoostMonkey said:

Thanks, just specced what I would like S/C V6 380 with options is £76,985.....Hummmm

88-ish for the V8 with some options £TBC... So a 90k car basically...

[aka_kerrly]

RTH said:

When the E-Type went on sale in 1961 it was £2000 or just over 4 times the price of a basic Mini
According to this historical UK inflation calculator

http://safalra.com/other/historical-uk-inflation-p...

That equates to £38,000 in today's money

So with a start price of £58,000 they clearly want to keep demand low and keep it exclusive

Ah but the current cheapest Mini is £11,800 so OVER 4 times that would equate to £45k+ so by that logic the F type is priced about right.

Price aside I think the F type looks stunning as a convertible with the roof down but in this day & age there I'd expect a folding hard top.

[kambites]

aka_kerrly said:

... but in this day & age there I'd expect a folding hard top.

Ooh, yuck no! That would completely remove any kind of desirability for me.

[kambites]

Pr1964 said:

Think it's aimed at the new SLK AMG I know which I'd rather spend my coin on.

Far more at the SL, I think.

[Carnnoisseur]

fostrike said:

Nice car indeed, back seems inspired by Pininfarina's 2uettottanta

Spot on, thought I recongised the similarities from an Alfa (not a bad thing). The coupe looks just as stunning also!

[anonymous-user]

Pr1964 said:

Not cutting edge in any way.

In my opinion the 60s was the heyday of the motor car, much like the 20s was the heyday for film, and more recently video games. Through these periods were the biggest opportunities to make the huge steps forwards; it's been and gone.

In our current world you can't expect a cutting edge game changer from a mainstream car. Cutting edge is for million pound super cars like the McLaren P1, Porsche 918 etc. For instance, many super car manufacturers have stopped chasing the top speed crown, instead focusing on getting the maximum performance from as little material and fuel as possible.

In the future I think there will be breakthroughs in other transport such as personal flight.

[B10]

Carnnoisseur said:

fostrike said:

Nice car indeed, back seems inspired by Pininfarina's 2uettottanta

Spot on, thought I recongised the similarities from an Alfa (not a bad thing). The coupe looks just as stunning also!

I disagree. The rear lights of the F pay homage to the series 1 E type.

[RTH]

aka_kerrly said:

RTH said:

When the E-Type went on sale in 1961 it was £2000 or just over 4 times the price of a basic Mini
According to this historical UK inflation calculator

http://safalra.com/other/historical-uk-inflation-p...

That equates to £38,000 in today's money

So with a start price of £58,000 they clearly want to keep demand low and keep it exclusive

Ah but the current cheapest Mini is £11,800 so OVER 4 times that would equate to £45k+ so by that logic the F type is priced about right.

Price aside I think the F type looks stunning as a convertible with the roof down but in this day & age there I'd expect a folding hard top.

But that is not a Mini anymore its a BMW
only today I bought a set of rear pads and sensor wire pattern parts from a motor factor for a Mini over £120 just for the parts , a starter or altenator £450 ea nothing on these cars is priced like a Ford or a Vauxhall or indeed as the MG Rover were.
Nothing inexpensive about the new Mini.

[LuS1fer]

B10 said:

Carnnoisseur said:

fostrike said:

Nice car indeed, back seems inspired by Pininfarina's 2uettottanta

Spot on, thought I recongised the similarities from an Alfa (not a bad thing). The coupe looks just as stunning also!

I disagree. The rear lights of the F pay homage to the series 1 E type.

Yes, the reference to the S1 E-Type is clear.

Having said that, the Z8 was pretty much a homage to the E-Type too.



I think the main difference between E and F Type is that the E-Type was cheap but looked like you could sell it for £100k and this doesn't - it's stylish but not so beautiful, price is immaterial.

Edited by LuS1fer on Thursday 27th September 19:55

[RacerMike]

k-ink said:

Did I mention anything about handling? No. A "sportscar" is lightweight. The end.

However a "GT", or "Muscle car" or other category of description is not quite so dependent upon weight

Well, it seems Wikipedia would disagree:

"A sports car (sportscar or sport car) is a small, usually two seat, two door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling. Sports cars may be spartan or luxurious but high maneuverability and minimum weight are requisite."

Source: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...

So ok, it 's not the lightest of sportscars, but it clearly aims to achieve all the other points. And a 911 a GT car? Seriously?! So what does that make a DB9? An executive saloon?