Anybody won one of those car lotteries?
Discussion
Surprised it took you a k to realise its gambling, what else could it possibly be?! I'm on mainly a postal route and set myself a k limit (bought enough postcards to cover that and once they're gone that's it), and a few bought tickets here and there like tonight's Hulk on 7days. I'm not expecting to win, its all luck, but it's nice to dream.
FishAndChips said:
Surprised it took you a k to realise its gambling, what else could it possibly be?! I'm on mainly a postal route and set myself a k limit (bought enough postcards to cover that and once they're gone that's it), and a few bought tickets here and there like tonight's Hulk on 7days. I'm not expecting to win, its all luck, but it's nice to dream.
Obviously if you had a big roulette wheel to win 50k and pick a number would be more blatent gambling than a car raffle.I used to play a bit slowly spend creeping up, just feels wrong now.
Ouroboros said:
Obviously if you had a big roulette wheel to win 50k and pick a number would be more blatent gambling than a car raffle.
I used to play a bit slowly spend creeping up, just feels wrong now.
Fair point, always the risk that you'll get carried away and start blowing a load of dosh. At least you've realised, and can do something about it. I used to play a bit slowly spend creeping up, just feels wrong now.
Its very easy to get sucked in these comps.
I only play for supers cars and cars id keep otherwise your chasing your tale for me that around 4/5 cars a month.
Currently bought a ticket for the Cayman GT4, although I may get a second ticket. I like the camper on Dream cars but again its something id keep so no point.
Postals dont work much for me and as the cost of stamps have gone up im sick of losing money.
I only play for supers cars and cars id keep otherwise your chasing your tale for me that around 4/5 cars a month.
Currently bought a ticket for the Cayman GT4, although I may get a second ticket. I like the camper on Dream cars but again its something id keep so no point.
Postals dont work much for me and as the cost of stamps have gone up im sick of losing money.
ch37 said:
Nobody because they're free so aren't technically gambling 
The Gambling Comission, would, in theory get involved if they stray into becoming an illegal lottery as it would then fall under their jurisdiction. The test for a free draw, which all these companies apart from BotB are running, is as follows:
If you run a free draw with a paid entry route, you must make sure that:
- people can choose to take part without paying
- the free entry route can be no more expensive and must be no less convenient than the paid route
- the free entry route must be promoted and displayed at the same level as the paid for routes
- the choice between the free entry route and the paid entry route must be promoted so that people who want to participate can see it
- the system that determines prizes should not recognise the two routes as different.
Find me a single site that ticks all those boxes!
I think these rules were written with occasional phone competitions on TV shows etc in mind, not really fit for purpose when it comes to companies set up specifically to sell hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of tickets every week with absolutely no oversight.
I've heard of a few people putting in complaints but have gone through the ASA instead, which makes sense given heavy online advertising is the lifeblood of these sites.
Interesting. So if my free postage entry doesn't get processed, for no good reason, then the ASA is my best route?The Gambling Comission, would, in theory get involved if they stray into becoming an illegal lottery as it would then fall under their jurisdiction. The test for a free draw, which all these companies apart from BotB are running, is as follows:
If you run a free draw with a paid entry route, you must make sure that:
- people can choose to take part without paying
- the free entry route can be no more expensive and must be no less convenient than the paid route
- the free entry route must be promoted and displayed at the same level as the paid for routes
- the choice between the free entry route and the paid entry route must be promoted so that people who want to participate can see it
- the system that determines prizes should not recognise the two routes as different.
Find me a single site that ticks all those boxes!
I think these rules were written with occasional phone competitions on TV shows etc in mind, not really fit for purpose when it comes to companies set up specifically to sell hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of tickets every week with absolutely no oversight.
I've heard of a few people putting in complaints but have gone through the ASA instead, which makes sense given heavy online advertising is the lifeblood of these sites.
Edited by ch37 on Sunday 24th July 00:20
Horsey McHorseface said:
Interesting. So if my free postage entry doesn't get processed, for no good reason, then the ASA is my best route?
Would you honestly follow that route ?No way of proving that the postcard was sent, no way of proving it wasn't lost in the post, no way of proving it was actually delivered, no way of proving you had actually added ALL of the details they require..........??
SimonTheSailor said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
Interesting. So if my free postage entry doesn't get processed, for no good reason, then the ASA is my best route?
Would you honestly follow that route ?No way of proving that the postcard was sent, no way of proving it wasn't lost in the post, no way of proving it was actually delivered, no way of proving you had actually added ALL of the details they require..........??
lemmingjames said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
Photo of the completed postcard and some kind of signed for delivery service?
So you'll spend £2.50+ on postage for a 79/99p competition.https://www.pristinecompetitions.co.uk/competition...
Horsey McHorseface said:
Interesting. So if my free postage entry doesn't get processed, for no good reason, then the ASA is my best route?
No idea, it's like the wild west. The ASA will only move on actual adverts, so if you see an ad for one of these sites online that do not clearly state that they are free competitions you might have a case. I'm sure I've read others doing that. Unlikely to achieve anything but annoy the company though.I don't think there is a good route if your postcards are consistently not processed. I've heard of some claiming back from Royal Mail, I do wonder if enough did that they'd soon have that address flagged, but to what end who knows. Ultimately it would be the Gambling Commission, but I'm not sure if anyone has ever got so much as a response out of them.
Horsey McHorseface said:
SimonTheSailor said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
Interesting. So if my free postage entry doesn't get processed, for no good reason, then the ASA is my best route?
Would you honestly follow that route ?No way of proving that the postcard was sent, no way of proving it wasn't lost in the post, no way of proving it was actually delivered, no way of proving you had actually added ALL of the details they require..........??
You sent a postcard for a free entry to a prize draw and because your entry isn't being processed you want to complain to the ASA?
Pommy said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
SimonTheSailor said:
Horsey McHorseface said:
Interesting. So if my free postage entry doesn't get processed, for no good reason, then the ASA is my best route?
Would you honestly follow that route ?No way of proving that the postcard was sent, no way of proving it wasn't lost in the post, no way of proving it was actually delivered, no way of proving you had actually added ALL of the details they require..........??
You sent a postcard for a free entry to a prize draw and because your entry isn't being processed you want to complain to the ASA?
biggbn said:
If people are paying for signed for delivery, aren't they as well buying a ticket online?
Mr horse is saying for the big ticket ones, such as the 50 quid scooby/evo combo.It would be cheaper to send in x amount of recorded delivery @ £2.35 each (+postcard cost), which would mean that you can prove that they received them and therefore you should get the same amount of tickets.
You/I can see the logic in that for the big ticket stuff but as we pointed out, doesntbwork out cost effective for the small ticket item.
Wonder if that's why they cut down on entry costs to being less than the cost of a stamp.
Pommy said:
Hang on, have I read this right?
You sent a postcard for a free entry to a prize draw and because your entry isn't being processed you want to complain to the ASA?
I'm asking if there's any course of retribution if my card isn't processed. I also asked if all of these companies are policed in any way, which is where the ASA was mentioned, in regards to advertising.You sent a postcard for a free entry to a prize draw and because your entry isn't being processed you want to complain to the ASA?
lemmingjames said:
biggbn said:
If people are paying for signed for delivery, aren't they as well buying a ticket online?
Mr horse is saying for the big ticket ones, such as the 50 quid scooby/evo combo.It would be cheaper to send in x amount of recorded delivery @ £2.35 each (+postcard cost), which would mean that you can prove that they received them and therefore you should get the same amount of tickets.
You/I can see the logic in that for the big ticket stuff but as we pointed out, doesntbwork out cost effective for the small ticket item.
Wonder if that's why they cut down on entry costs to being less than the cost of a stamp.
Edited by Horsey McHorseface on Monday 25th July 09:41
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