Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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LLantrisant said:
there was an amnesty period when SVA came into force...and this is long time ago....all owners had been forced to use this period to update / correct their v5c´s...if you missed that period you are driving around with an incorrectly registered car...fact, and no discussion!!! there isnt a loophole in the law!!
this said: there is still a chance that DVLA allows the car-owner, with enough prove from owners side, to correct the "old" datas in the v5c ...or , if DVLA man /lady doesnt have a good day, they will ask for an IVA test.
Have you taken into account the new regulations that came into force on May 19th? I don't think so. My experiences with the DVLA following the changes are indicative that they have no idea of the current law, and speaking to one person is then contradicted by another. Any car converted over 30 years ago is now MOT and tax exempt and theoretically should be able to have the V5 changed to reflect the current status of the car, but in one case I am dealing with the car was built forty years ago yet the DVLA have asked for a V894 for IVA approval. This after another person at the DVLA had confirmed that I was right and that all that was needed was proof of the age of the conversion and they would amend the V5 accordingly. The result is that the DVLA have refused to change the description but let the matter drop. Rather a cop-out it seems, but the car is now taxed and MOT exempt, but still as an XJ6 and not a C-type. The moral seems to be let sleeping dogs lie, to keep the V5 as it is and say nothing.Maybe in a year or two they will understand their own rules.this said: there is still a chance that DVLA allows the car-owner, with enough prove from owners side, to correct the "old" datas in the v5c ...or , if DVLA man /lady doesnt have a good day, they will ask for an IVA test.
Not in this case. The whole thing was provoked by the EEC and partly by UNESCO who had decided that the definition of "collectable" was anything over 30 years old. That then translated in the UK into 40 years for any car and 30 years for modified cars such as replicas. In France any car over 25 years old can now be reregistered as a VHI and only needs an MOT every five years. Each country is different, but overall the UNESCO decision is the basis. What IS stupid in the UK is that no proof is needed that the conversion was carried out 30 years ago, so a replica built yesterday on the origins (and therefore the V5) of a rusty XJ6 over forty years old can illegally be stated to be tax and MOT exempt. Who can prove it wasn't? All one does is tick the box when applying for road tax and hey presto you now have a six-month-old Vehicle of Historic interest.
Not Eagle and I doubt Frontline but I cannot really comment as far as they are concerned/ Eagle take asn E-type and improve it, putting in a better engine, brakes, aircon if you wish and so on, but it is still an E-type. Their low drag coupés are still E-type coupés and they all carry the same original documentation from new or, if imported, are registered correctly. A coupé is still a coupé.
Your issue here is what?
If you understand the rules (and I mean really understand, and the quasi-law that you spout leads me to suppose that you do not), then you will know that sufficient points can easily be achieved by also acquiring a few worthless parts with the shell.
Selling a V5C along with a build plate is very different.
If you understand the rules (and I mean really understand, and the quasi-law that you spout leads me to suppose that you do not), then you will know that sufficient points can easily be achieved by also acquiring a few worthless parts with the shell.
Selling a V5C along with a build plate is very different.
GC8 said:
Your issue here is what?
If you understand the rules (and I mean really understand, and the quasi-law that you spout leads me to suppose that you do not), then you will know that sufficient points can easily be achieved by also acquiring a few worthless parts with the shell.
Selling a V5C along with a build plate is very different.
Okay let's break down my last post. If you understand the rules (and I mean really understand, and the quasi-law that you spout leads me to suppose that you do not), then you will know that sufficient points can easily be achieved by also acquiring a few worthless parts with the shell.
Selling a V5C along with a build plate is very different.
Stolen BMW M3 track day car and trailer.
Incredibly cheap M3 bare shell that's only a cat'-d write off but lists only a few useful parts.
eBay listing said:
Ideal for solid sills / rear arches etc !
Nowhere near enough of the car left to rebuild from. Now there is no VIC check all a criminal would need to do is buy the remains from eBay for a lot less than M3 ringing kits have been listed for. Transfer the identity or ring it over to the stolen M3 send off for a new log book with a colour change declaration from red to silver (or go to the expense of respraying the stolen M3) and get a mail order MOT as I'm sure they know people in low places.
Time to run the numbers.
1 stolen M3 - free
2 eBay bare shell and log book - £300
3 V62 for a new log book - £25
4 dodgy MOT - £???
Previously cat' d M3
£8,000
Even if they do respray the car red it's still quite a margin.
Yes, you could do that, but you could also legitimately fix up a knackered shell.
The line for me is having something you can physically build from, so as long as there's a shell or chassis - even one that seems terminal or uneconomical to fix - I'd rather that still be considered ok.
The line for me is having something you can physically build from, so as long as there's a shell or chassis - even one that seems terminal or uneconomical to fix - I'd rather that still be considered ok.
InitialDave said:
Yes, you could do that, but you could also legitimately fix up a knackered shell.
The line for me is having something you can physically build from, so as long as there's a shell or chassis - even one that seems terminal or uneconomical to fix - I'd rather that still be considered ok.
I am surprised by the amount of ones for sale that advertise as uneconomical to fix, and then deep in the wording they specify that they will only be posting the V5, and nothing of the chassis will be posted or is available for collection.The line for me is having something you can physically build from, so as long as there's a shell or chassis - even one that seems terminal or uneconomical to fix - I'd rather that still be considered ok.
Could. But by the time the shell has been straightened on a jig and all like for like original parts replaced it would cost more than going out to buy an identical car.
The only reason anyone would go through all that is sentimental. Hardly the kind of sentiment one would have for an anonymously bought shell.
Cheap, comes with a V5C and clean HPI check. There's only one realistic reason it's for sale.
The only reason anyone would go through all that is sentimental. Hardly the kind of sentiment one would have for an anonymously bought shell.
Cheap, comes with a V5C and clean HPI check. There's only one realistic reason it's for sale.
Liquid Knight said:
Could. But by the time the shell has been straightened on a jig and all like for like original parts replaced it would cost more than going out to buy an identical car.
The only reason anyone would go through all that is sentimental. Hardly the kind of sentiment one would have for an anonymously bought shell.
Cheap, comes with a V5C and clean HPI check. There's only one realistic reason it's for sale.
Not for you to say. Should still be permitted to be bought and sold.The only reason anyone would go through all that is sentimental. Hardly the kind of sentiment one would have for an anonymously bought shell.
Cheap, comes with a V5C and clean HPI check. There's only one realistic reason it's for sale.
mr_fibuli said:
I've got a load of vintage bike log books from the 1940s-50s. Are people still able to use these for dubious purposes? I was thinking of flogging them on eBay, but don't want to sell anything that could be used by ringers, or end up being featured on this thread 
In theory, yes. Take one of the log books, steal a similar bike, alter the frame number and buy a plate to match the log book, sell the bike as genuine. The value of many vintage bikes could make this a worthwhile exercise.
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lowdrag said:
Not in this case. The whole thing was provoked by the EEC and partly by UNESCO who had decided that the definition of "collectable" was anything over 30 years old. That then translated in the UK into 40 years for any car and 30 years for modified cars such as replicas. In France any car over 25 years old can now be reregistered as a VHI and only needs an MOT every five years. Each country is different, but overall the UNESCO decision is the basis. What IS stupid in the UK is that no proof is needed that the conversion was carried out 30 years ago, so a replica built yesterday on the origins (and therefore the V5) of a rusty XJ6 over forty years old can illegally be stated to be tax and MOT exempt. Who can prove it wasn't? All one does is tick the box when applying for road tax and hey presto you now have a six-month-old Vehicle of Historic interest.
you are right...each EU memberstate makes his own laws in terms declaring a car historic.even b4 the 40y mot-exempt thing came into force, a totally modified escort mk1, with spaceframe front end, zetec engine was declared "histroic vehicle" once 30y old.
which, imo, isnt correct....the remains of the original escort arent enough to declare it "histroic"...the car has been modified to a state where major "historic" components are missing, also too many modern parts fitted.
in other countires the histroic status is approved by the MOT tester, they check anually, or each 2 or 3 years (depnding which country its registered) if the car fullfills the status.
this means it needs to be in a certain (very good) condition, no major mods allowed or if modified, just contemporary parts are allowed.
the mot-exempt thing for cars over 40y is , imo, a quite risky and dangerous law...lots of cars with a fresh MOT are already in a state where its questionable how they have ever passed the test...and now some cars (and there are still plenty out there) are even exempt from doing a test.....
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