Anybody won one of those car lotteries?
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Yep, Elite often don't even bother with recorded ones.
You could complain to the ASA but it's a pain for very little gain. They might get a slap on the wrist/fine but my guess is that you're still not going to get your postcard processed.
That said, I think Silverstone had a talking to about their arbitrary restrictions (i.e. they only used to accept signed for).
You could complain to the ASA but it's a pain for very little gain. They might get a slap on the wrist/fine but my guess is that you're still not going to get your postcard processed.
That said, I think Silverstone had a talking to about their arbitrary restrictions (i.e. they only used to accept signed for).
Horsey McHorseface said:
Pommy said:
Hang on, have I read this right?
You sent a postcard for a free entry to a prize draw and because your entry isn't being processed you want to complain to the ASA?
I'm asking if there's any course of retribution if my card isn't processed. I also asked if all of these companies are policed in any way, which is where the ASA was mentioned, in regards to advertising.You sent a postcard for a free entry to a prize draw and because your entry isn't being processed you want to complain to the ASA?
lemmingjames said:
biggbn said:
If people are paying for signed for delivery, aren't they as well buying a ticket online?
Mr horse is saying for the big ticket ones, such as the 50 quid scooby/evo combo.It would be cheaper to send in x amount of recorded delivery @ £2.35 each (+postcard cost), which would mean that you can prove that they received them and therefore you should get the same amount of tickets.
You/I can see the logic in that for the big ticket stuff but as we pointed out, doesntbwork out cost effective for the small ticket item.
Wonder if that's why they cut down on entry costs to being less than the cost of a stamp.
Edited by Horsey McHorseface on Monday 25th July 09:41
Mate, go to B&Q, buy some wood, build a bridge and get over it.
Rock and a hard place.
They only exist because people buy tickets. That's it. The only way they make money is by selling tickets.
Yes, they should process all postal entries as practical - and they will factor them into their business model - but the whole thing is a wheeze to circumvent gambling rules/regulation. The punters and the companies are all in on it, so to be as highly principled as to say they must process postal entries or I'm reporting them to xyz is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Yes, it's a catch-22 situation, but people should be more pragmatic if they want to carry on using these somewhat dubiously arrange 'competitions'.
They only exist because people buy tickets. That's it. The only way they make money is by selling tickets.
Yes, they should process all postal entries as practical - and they will factor them into their business model - but the whole thing is a wheeze to circumvent gambling rules/regulation. The punters and the companies are all in on it, so to be as highly principled as to say they must process postal entries or I'm reporting them to xyz is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Yes, it's a catch-22 situation, but people should be more pragmatic if they want to carry on using these somewhat dubiously arrange 'competitions'.
number2 said:
Rock and a hard place.
They only exist because people buy tickets. That's it. The only way they make money is by selling tickets.
Indeed, and only exist because they have to accept free entries. They can't have one without the other.They only exist because people buy tickets. That's it. The only way they make money is by selling tickets.
It seems to be a case of making hay whilst the sun shines at the moment, no regulation, barely a handful of the companies making any attempt to run legitimately. It'll probably bite them all in the arse one day.
jon- said:
BOTB have existed for what must be 20 years plus with no regulation change in that time so don't hold your breath.
Completely different though, game of skill as per other spot the ball comps that have been running forever. They completely bypass the 'illegal lottery' risk as long as a substantial number of entrants are excluded due to not passing the test or whatever. Free comps are 'all-in', no skill involved despite most sites oddly including a very, very basic question.Jeez, all this nonsense about the free entries. Honestly what do you expect?! They exist to make money, they’re a business. So of course they’re not going to honour thousands of free entries if there’s an easy way they can get away with it.
I’m going to grab a ticket for the Evo/Scooby duo, would most likely take one of the cars and sell the other, love them both!
I’m going to grab a ticket for the Evo/Scooby duo, would most likely take one of the cars and sell the other, love them both!
ThomW said:
Jeez, all this nonsense about the free entries. Honestly what do you expect?! They exist to make money, they’re a business. So of course they’re not going to honour thousands of free entries if there’s an easy way they can get away with it.
I'm sort of with you - however if they're deliberately bending or breaking the law makes 'em not a whole lot better than the 'loveable scamp' types who tarmac etc
DodgyGeezer said:
ThomW said:
Jeez, all this nonsense about the free entries. Honestly what do you expect?! They exist to make money, they’re a business. So of course they’re not going to honour thousands of free entries if there’s an easy way they can get away with it.
I'm sort of with you - however if they're deliberately bending or breaking the law makes 'em not a whole lot better than the 'loveable scamp' types who tarmac etcHowever, 'some' people are happy to enter and be a part of the competition, but if they feel their tight arse methods won't get them a potential win then it's 'retribution' time and has nothing to do with how dodgy or not it is.
'some' people should be embarrassed with themselves.
Pommy said:
True.
However, 'some' people are happy to enter and be a part of the competition, but if they feel their tight arse methods won't get them a potential win then it's 'retribution' time and has nothing to do with how dodgy or not it is.
'some' people should be embarrassed with themselves.
I don't pursue missing entries but surely those things are absolutely related. It's technically and legally no different to paying for an entry, you'd be pretty pissed if you'd been paying to enter 99p comps on one of the sites and found out later that they were scamming you and never actually entering you for thr draws. This is no different, really.However, 'some' people are happy to enter and be a part of the competition, but if they feel their tight arse methods won't get them a potential win then it's 'retribution' time and has nothing to do with how dodgy or not it is.
'some' people should be embarrassed with themselves.
If they are willing to bend/break the rules there, what else are they are up to? I wouldn't blame anyone for calling it out in the same way people complain about dodgy behaviour from any company.
ch37 said:
Pommy said:
True.
However, 'some' people are happy to enter and be a part of the competition, but if they feel their tight arse methods won't get them a potential win then it's 'retribution' time and has nothing to do with how dodgy or not it is.
'some' people should be embarrassed with themselves.
I don't pursue missing entries but surely those things are absolutely related. It's technically and legally no different to paying for an entry, you'd be pretty pissed if you'd been paying to enter 99p comps on one of the sites and found out later that they were scamming you and never actually entering you for thr draws. This is no different, really.However, 'some' people are happy to enter and be a part of the competition, but if they feel their tight arse methods won't get them a potential win then it's 'retribution' time and has nothing to do with how dodgy or not it is.
'some' people should be embarrassed with themselves.
If they are willing to bend/break the rules there, what else are they are up to? I wouldn't blame anyone for calling it out in the same way people complain about dodgy behaviour from any company.
If you want to guarantee an entry to a draw buy a ticket.
Seeking retirbution because your free entry to a prize draw wasn't handled and aligning it with a fraudulent operator is just cynism as it's worse and stupidity at its best.
I doubt Pommy is a ‘tight arse’. Sounds like he enjoys being bent over.
And they’re not free entries. Stamp +postcard = 75p. That’s £7500 for every 10,000 entries they accidently lose. That’s fraud.
And they’re not free entries. Stamp +postcard = 75p. That’s £7500 for every 10,000 entries they accidently lose. That’s fraud.
ThomW said:
Jeez, all this nonsense about the free entries. Honestly what do you expect?! They exist to make money, they’re a business. So of course they’re not going to honour thousands of free entries if there’s an easy way they can get away with it.
I’m going to grab a ticket for the Evo/Scooby duo, would most likely take one of the cars and sell the other, love them both!
You're going to pay £50 for a ticket, without first trying the 75p route? You're a bigger mug than I thought you were.I’m going to grab a ticket for the Evo/Scooby duo, would most likely take one of the cars and sell the other, love them both!
ch37 said:
If they are willing to bend/break the rules there, what else are they are up to? I wouldn't blame anyone for calling it out in the same way people complain about dodgy behaviour from any company.
Like knowingly offering up a clocked car. Clocked from 150k miles down to 47k and claiming it's worth £30k. I'm presuming that would be a police matter?Horsey McHorseface said:
I doubt Pommy is a ‘tight arse’. Sounds like he enjoys being bent over.
And they’re not free entries. Stamp +postcard = 75p. That’s £7500 for every 10,000 entries they accidently lose. That’s fraud.
75p. Jesus wept.And they’re not free entries. Stamp +postcard = 75p. That’s £7500 for every 10,000 entries they accidently lose. That’s fraud.
ThomW said:
Jeez, all this nonsense about the free entries. Honestly what do you expect?! They exist to make money, they’re a business. So of course they’re not going to honour thousands of free entries if there’s an easy way they can get away with it.
I’m going to grab a ticket for the Evo/Scooby duo, would most likely take one of the cars and sell the other, love them both!
You're going to pay £50 for a ticket, without first trying the 75p route? You're a bigger mug than I thought you were.I’m going to grab a ticket for the Evo/Scooby duo, would most likely take one of the cars and sell the other, love them both!
ch37 said:
If they are willing to bend/break the rules there, what else are they are up to? I wouldn't blame anyone for calling it out in the same way people complain about dodgy behaviour from any company.
Like knowingly offering up a clocked car. Clocked from 150k miles down to 47k and claiming it's worth £30k. I'm presuming that would be a police matter?Yet you're happy to enter and support it but only if they give you an entry hey.
Fraud...retribution..
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