One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 4

[nonsequitur]

AlexRS2782 said:

Bit of a long one so up to anyone whether they read it or not

The driver of Ford Transit custom LN68 LXL for their excellent driving prowess on the 60MPH stretch of the A31 earlier this afternoon.

If you're going to tailgate people, then flash your lights at them when they don't react, followed by some dramatic arm waving, and then some horn beeping, maybe it would be a good idea to actually use your eyes and look in front of you and around your van to see what other traffic is doing.

I'm travelleing at 60MPH in a 60MPH zone - I can't move into the left lane because there's traffic there doing 50MPH which is why i'm in the right hand lane overtaking them. Also, i can't go any faster than 60 because, guess what, if you looked further ahead than the car immediately in front of you, you'd realise there's 5 cars & 1 van in front of me also doing 60 you nugget

When i finally managed to find a suitable gap to move into the left hand lane about 1/2 mile later the moron decided to accelerate past me blasting his horn, shouted some abuse before nearly rear ending the Saab 9-3, that i was originally following. Naturally he then started tailgating them and giving them some road rage too

Just before the B3000 turn off he decided to swerve from the right hand lane, cutting up a car in the left hand lane, because he must have remembered he was meant to exit the A31 Once that move was completed he put his foot down and flew off into the distance down the 40MPH stretch of the B3000.

I can only assume he must have got stuck behind another car soon after, and probably tailgated them too, because for all his speed it wasn't long before i ended up behind him at the A3 interchange roundabout



All that effort to get just 1 car ahead on the road you absolute sponge

A ladder on top. Usually a bad sign. Like chav-platers, avoid LTP.

[Pan Pan Pan]

tighnamara said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

No you really are not. How in heavens name do `you' get anywhere on the roads, when you feel you have to slow down, every time another driver does something illegal near you?. Are you that timid a driver, you feel you have to slam on the brakes, every times someone driving illegally, comes near you?
I was in the nearside lane driving at the posted limit of 50 mph, The 911 was in the offside lane driving at the posted limit of 50 mph. the only person not driving legally was the focus, So as asked before, do you think that drivers driving legally should be forced to drive illegally, or just slam on their brakes to accommodate someone who is driving or wants to drive illegally? It seems you support those driving illegally rather than those who are trying to drive at the posted limit.
If traffic police officer had been on the road observing this situation. which driver do you think would be the one to get pulled. the two drivers driving perfectly legally, or the driver who first grossly exceeded the posted limit, and who then proceeded to tailgate the 911.

Not defending said Focus driver but maybe I am being naive here as have always thought that you had to pull in once you had overtaken and not hog outside lanes even if you are driving at the speed limit (unless you were turning off).
Imagine the roads if everyone drove like that and didn’t let those travelling over the speed limit past.

I also find it crazy that you would put yourself in such a position if you thought the Focus driver was being an idiot.
How did you get to be side by side with the Porsche if you were both doing 50mph.

Edited to add the below from one of your previous posts.

“Where a driver at the front of a large queue is an ignorant k**b who has nothing in front of them or at the side, but insists on carrying on in the offside lane, I would rate them just as dangerous as a tailgater”

Edited by tighnamara on Tuesday 11th September 07:42

Edited by tighnamara on Tuesday 11th September 07:46

The section of road in question had a 50 mph limit, enforced with average speed cameras. I was in the nearside lane when entering this enforced 50 zone, so just stayed in the nearside lane at the posted limit. The 911 must initially have been doing a little more than (50 possibly 52-53 mph) because he very slowly overhauled me in the offside lane, but on getting alongside, and slightly ahead, may have decided to make sure he was doing exactly 50 mph, (which is why any two cars both doing the posted limit on a dual carriageway tend to run alongside each other. this is a situation which occurs in traffic streams all the time).
Along comes Knobber in the Focus in the offside lane at well above the posted limit, who then proceeds to tailgate the 911. So what should happen? should the 911 accelerate to above 50 (breaking the law, and potentially getting an NIP in the process), just to allow the knobber to get by and break the law by an even bigger margin. or should I in the nearside lane have slowed down, to give the knobber enough space to undertake the 911? If an incident had occurred and the matter referred to a court, who do you think would have been found to be the offending driver in the matter?
As a P.S, the comment from an earlier post you referred to, was for drivers who hog the offside lane at below the posted limit, and who refuse to move to the nearside lane, even when there is space in front for them to either accelerate to the posted limit, or where there is a clear nearside lane to move into that lane to allow traffic which has built up behind the to travel at the posted limit and get by.
Do you slam on your brakes every time you perceive an idiot driver near you? how do you make any progress on the roads? because if so, there are quite a few idiot drivers out there, and you must probably jbe on the brakes nearly all the time.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 12th September 08:55

[tighnamara]

Pan Pan Pan said:

The section of road in question had a 50 mph limit, enforced with average speed cameras. I was in the nearside lane when entering this enforced 50 zone, so just stayed in the nearside lane at the posted limit. The 911 must initially have been doing a little more than (50 possibly 52-53 mph) because he very slowly overhauled me in the offside lane, but on getting alongside, and slightly ahead, may have decided to make sure he was doing exactly 50 mph, (which is why any two cars both doing the posted limit on a dual carriageway tend to run alongside each other. this is a situation which occurs in traffic streams all the time).
Along comes Knobber in the Focus in the offside lane at well above the posted limit, who then proceeds to tailgate the 911. So what should happen? should the 911 accelerate to above 50 (breaking the law, and potentially getting an NIP in the process), just to allow the knobber to get by and break the law by an even bigger margin. or should I in the nearside lane have slowed down, to give the knobber enough space to undertake the 911? If an incident had occurred and the matter referred to a court, who do you think would have been found to be the offending driver in the matter?
As a P.S, the comment from an earlier post you referred to, was for drivers who hog the offside lane at below the posted limit, and who refuse to move to the nearside lane, even when there is space in front for them to either accelerate to the posted limit, or where there is a clear nearside lane to move into that lane to allow traffic which has built up behind the to travel at the posted limit and get by.
Do you slam on your brakes every time you perceive an idiot driver near you? how do you make any progress on the roads? because if so, there are quite a few idiot drivers out there, and you must probably jbe on the brakes nearly all the time.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 12th September 08:55

LOL, so was the Porsche driver speeding or not...............

[Liquid Knight]

AlexRS2782 said:

Bit of a long one...

Ford Transit

There are only two types of tailgater on the road.

1/ Careless drivers who are too distracted or thick to be able to count as high as two (or four).
2/ Dangerous drivers who think sitting on someone elses back bumper will motivate them to either go beyond the speed limit or move out of the way.

There were rumors a while ago that tailgating was to become a fixed penalty six points and fine as it has become a pandemic. I only hope there is some truth to it.

[Mafffew]

The lorry drivers tailgating other drivers in the 50mph section of the M4 this morning.

fking neanderthals.

[yellowjack]

AlexRS2782] [snip said:

I can only assume he must have got stuck behind another car soon after, and probably tailgated them too, because for all his speed it wasn't long before i ended up behind him at the A3 interchange roundabout



All that effort to get just 1 car ahead on the road you absolute sponge

This is the point where I occasionally (and much to my wife's annoyance) give a totally pointless and childish toot of the horn and an exaggerated wave.

I can't believe that ANYONE would think there was any point at all in trying to "make progress" on the B3000 between the Hog's back and the A3. I don't think I've EVER managed a clear run along there, and at busy times it's frequently chock-a-block.

[ashleyman]

AVIS Car Rental

Booked a hire car for collection at 5PM, drop off at the same location at 10 a few days later. Location being a local hotel.

Car eventually turned up at 6.30PM.
Pre-paid online with all the correct pick up and drop off times and locations and thought I wouldn't have to pay any extras. Nope, An extra £31 fee for a 'location surcharge' and £48 for a 'One Way Service'.
Drop Off point on the forms wasn't where I had selected - it was a different local branch.

Car was covered in damage that the driver had not noted on the forms, mileage on the forms was less than the actual milage on the odometer. Driver was smoking in the car when it got delivered.

It's not a big deal but it pissed me off. Not only was I late but I had to argue with the driver that being late wasn't okay (he collected the car at 4.05 according to his PDA) and that yes he did have to note the damage because there was no way I was paying for it.

I do wonder if perhaps the car was checked out clean, undamaged with a full tank of fuel and the driver was the one who used the fuel and damaged the car. I made him write it all down and I took photos so hopefully if they do pin it on me I have proof it wasn't me.

Phoned AVIS UK this morning to query the extra fees and they can't speak to me until the branch have uploaded the paperwork. Why is it so difficult!? I think next time I'll stick with getting the bus to my local Enterprise instead of going for convenience!

[Moonhawk]

yellowjack said:

I can't believe that ANYONE would think there was any point at all in trying to "make progress" on the B3000 between the Hog's back and the A3. I don't think I've EVER managed a clear run along there, and at busy times it's frequently chock-a-block.

You see it day in day out - people thinking they can beat the traffic - but actually getting nowhere (and probably compounding the congestion in the process).

I used to commute down the A55 going towards the Chester Business park from the M53 end. The traffic is pretty much always queuing at the same spots - so it's easier to just pick a lane and sit in it all the way to the A483.

Every sngle day whoever, you'd see the same cars get on at at a junction and then start swapping and changing lanes, causing traffic behind to brake as they tried to beat the queue. This is utterly futile as anybody who knows this stretch of road will attest.

Sometimes you would see a dozen or more lane changes as they desperately tried to move one more car ahead - sometimes it worked, sometimes not and they could actually end up further back than they started negating any progress they did make.

Most of the time, i'd end up pulling into the Business park either immediately in front of or immediately behind this car. All their swapping and changing lanes basically gained them nothing. Even the ones that do get a few cars ahead, gain what......10 seconds at best.

[Liquid Knight]

Headed East along the average speed camera section of the A17 between Sutton Bridge and West Lynn yesterday lunch time.

I was following a red Ecoflex diesel Vauxhall Insignia. Knob points for...

1/ Smashed drivers door mirror.
2/ Accelerating up to 70+mph and braking to -50mph at each camera.
3/ Veering wayward every time they accelerated (is torque steer that bad on a car that size with a cement mixer engine).
4/ Coal rollin' black exhaust smoke every time they accelerated.
5/ Moomin death rattle waste gate that could be heard above my car and Classic FM playing Carmen.
6/ Brake testing every time I was three seconds away during the -50mph moments.
7/ No signals at all at the roundabout.
8/ (and worst of all) We both stopped at the petrol station and for some reason Mr Insignia thought it would be a good idea to stare at me the whole time I filled my car up. He looked like a fat version of the chap wore the "I SHOT JR" t'shirt on Father Ted and his female (???) passenger looked like Waynetta Slob had let herself go a bit.

[Pan Pan Pan]

tighnamara said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

The section of road in question had a 50 mph limit, enforced with average speed cameras. I was in the nearside lane when entering this enforced 50 zone, so just stayed in the nearside lane at the posted limit. The 911 must initially have been doing a little more than (50 possibly 52-53 mph) because he very slowly overhauled me in the offside lane, but on getting alongside, and slightly ahead, may have decided to make sure he was doing exactly 50 mph, (which is why any two cars both doing the posted limit on a dual carriageway tend to run alongside each other. this is a situation which occurs in traffic streams all the time).
Along comes Knobber in the Focus in the offside lane at well above the posted limit, who then proceeds to tailgate the 911. So what should happen? should the 911 accelerate to above 50 (breaking the law, and potentially getting an NIP in the process), just to allow the knobber to get by and break the law by an even bigger margin. or should I in the nearside lane have slowed down, to give the knobber enough space to undertake the 911? If an incident had occurred and the matter referred to a court, who do you think would have been found to be the offending driver in the matter?
As a P.S, the comment from an earlier post you referred to, was for drivers who hog the offside lane at below the posted limit, and who refuse to move to the nearside lane, even when there is space in front for them to either accelerate to the posted limit, or where there is a clear nearside lane to move into that lane to allow traffic which has built up behind the to travel at the posted limit and get by.
Do you slam on your brakes every time you perceive an idiot driver near you? how do you make any progress on the roads? because if so, there are quite a few idiot drivers out there, and you must probably jbe on the brakes nearly all the time.

Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Wednesday 12th September 08:55

LOL, so was the Porsche driver speeding or not...............

Technically (and initially) the 911 was, by about 1 to 3 mph, but on getting alongside me, he seemed to realize, that perhaps he was slightly above the 50 mph limit, and therefore slowed to 50 mph
Some people drive by checking what is going on around them, rather than keeping their eyes firmly fixed on the speedometer. I was at 50 mph on cruise control, so I could maintain exactly 50mph and check what was happening around me.
But you have not answered my question, if said incident had been observed by a traffic officer, or an accident had occurred which resulted in a court case, which of the drivers do you believe would be found to be the offending driver in the piece, and which of the drivers would be considered to be obeying the law pertaining to that section of road? At present, it is not illegal for two cars to happen to travel alongside each other on a dual carriage way, if they are both travelling at the posted limit for that section of road.

[tighnamara]

Pan Pan Pan said:

Technically (and initially) the 911 was, by about 1 to 3 mph, but on getting alongside me, he seemed to realize, that perhaps he was slightly above the 50 mph limit, and therefore slowed to 50 mph
Some people drive by checking what is going on around them, rather than keeping their eyes firmly fixed on the speedometer. I was at 50 mph on cruise control, so I could maintain exactly 50mph and check what was happening around me.
But you have not answered my question, if said incident had been observed by a traffic officer, or an accident had occurred which resulted in a court case, which of the drivers do you believe would be found to be the offending driver in the piece, and which of the drivers would be considered to be obeying the law pertaining to that section of road? At present, it is not illegal for two cars to happen to travel alongside each other on a dual carriage way, if they are both travelling at the posted limit for that section of road.

Nothing to answer, there was no incident or observation by the police though.

Maybe not illegal driving but certainly very inconsiderate driving, why anyone would slightly overtake at a few miles over the limit then drop back down to the speed before the full overtake baffles me.

Safest way of driving is to let any fast moving vehicle pass you by pulling in to the inside lane not "hog" the outside lane travelling at the same speed as the car in the inside lane when nothing in front of you - (waiting for you to add another part to the story)
Porsche driver could have continued at his original speed to pass you and give himself the room to move to the inside lane.

Agree the Focus driver was a knob driving close to the Porsche but the Porsche driver is as bad by not passing and pulling in to allow other vehicles to pass.

I am presuming he didn't stick to the limit once out of the 50, as you have mentioned the Focus couldn't catch up with him. If the Porsche had just accelerated from 50 to the new speed limit the Focus would have been behind him in no time.

Just because you are traveling at the speed limit doesn't mean you have the right to control other road users speed.................I am beginning to wonder if you were actually the Porsche driver.

That's me out as there is obviously no reasoning with you on this one.

[Europa1]

Liquid Knight said:

5/ Moomin death rattle waste gate.

Love the description!

[Pan Pan Pan]

tighnamara said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Technically (and initially) the 911 was, by about 1 to 3 mph, but on getting alongside me, he seemed to realize, that perhaps he was slightly above the 50 mph limit, and therefore slowed to 50 mph
Some people drive by checking what is going on around them, rather than keeping their eyes firmly fixed on the speedometer. I was at 50 mph on cruise control, so I could maintain exactly 50mph and check what was happening around me.
But you have not answered my question, if said incident had been observed by a traffic officer, or an accident had occurred which resulted in a court case, which of the drivers do you believe would be found to be the offending driver in the piece, and which of the drivers would be considered to be obeying the law pertaining to that section of road? At present, it is not illegal for two cars to happen to travel alongside each other on a dual carriage way, if they are both travelling at the posted limit for that section of road.

Nothing to answer, there was no incident or observation by the police though.

Maybe not illegal driving but certainly very inconsiderate driving, why anyone would slightly overtake at a few miles over the limit then drop back down to the speed before the full overtake baffles me.

Safest way of driving is to let any fast moving vehicle pass you by pulling in to the inside lane not "hog" the outside lane travelling at the same speed as the car in the inside lane when nothing in front of you - (waiting for you to add another part to the story)
Porsche driver could have continued at his original speed to pass you and give himself the room to move to the inside lane.

Agree the Focus driver was a knob driving close to the Porsche but the Porsche driver is as bad by not passing and pulling in to allow other vehicles to pass.

I am presuming he didn't stick to the limit once out of the 50, as you have mentioned the Focus couldn't catch up with him. If the Porsche had just accelerated from 50 to the new speed limit the Focus would have been behind him in no time.

Just because you are traveling at the speed limit doesn't mean you have the right to control other road users speed.................I am beginning to wonder if you were actually the Porsche driver.

That's me out as there is obviously no reasoning with you on this one.

No I was definitely not in the 911, but would ask (even if you wont answer), If you had been in the 911, would you have accelerated to above the posted limit, risking getting a speeding fine in an average speed camera zone, simply to allow the knobber in the focus to get by?
Remember it is entirely possible for the 911 to already have been travelling above the 50 limit back down the road, and who then decided it might be best to drop back to the posted limit, to avoid getting a speeding fine, That he was alongside me when this thought struck him is purely happenstance
Of course the correct course of action in all of this would be for the knobber to fall back from the rear of the 911 to a safe distance behind, and then travel at the posted limit of 50 mph, until reaching the NSL zone, but you don't even seem to have considered this (legal) option, Preferring the 911 to break the speed limit, so that the knobber could also then break the speed limit seems a strange way of looking at it,(unless of course you are one of those who regularly indulges in the illegal type of driving displayed by the knobber) who was grossly exceeding the posted limit, and then indulging in tailgating. If he wanted tailgate, break the limit and lose his license that is his business, but to try to bully other drivers into doing so, when they are already travelling at the posted limit is not on.

[ManOpener]

Pan Pan Pan said:

No I was definitely not in the 911, but would ask (even if you wont answer), If you had been in the 911, would you have accelerated to above the posted limit, risking getting a speeding fine in an average speed camera zone, simply to allow the knobber in the focus to get by?

I'd have either:


A) been aware enough of the road, conditions and traffic to complete my maneuver without impeding a faster moving vehicle, or;

B) dropped back in behind the car I was no longer overtaking instead of rolling-roadblocking the outside lane, or;

C) kept a 2-3mph speed differential over the car in the inside lane in order to pass it whilst remaining within the margin of error for the average speed cameras and not obstructing factor moving traffic, or;

D) not attempted a poorly planned overtake into an average speed camera zone in the first place.


IMO knobbish driving from both parties there.

Edited by ManOpener on Thursday 13th September 15:28

[tighnamara]

Pan Pan Pan said:

No I was definitely not in the 911, but would ask (even if you wont answer), If you had been in the 911, would you have accelerated to above the posted limit, risking getting a speeding fine in an average speed camera zone, simply to allow the knobber in the focus to get by?
Remember it is entirely possible for the 911 to already have been travelling above the 50 limit back down the road, and who then decided it might be best to drop back to the posted limit, to avoid getting a speeding fine, That he was alongside me when this thought struck him is purely happenstance
Of course the correct course of action in all of this would be for the knobber to fall back from the rear of the 911 to a safe distance behind, and then travel at the posted limit of 50 mph, until reaching the NSL zone, but you don't even seem to have considered this (legal) option, Preferring the 911 to break the speed limit, so that the knobber could also then break the speed limit seems a strange way of looking at it,(unless of course you are one of those who regularly indulges in the illegal type of driving displayed by the knobber) who was grossly exceeding the posted limit, and then indulging in tailgating. If he wanted tailgate, break the limit and lose his license that is his business, but to try to bully other drivers into doing so, when they are already travelling at the posted limit is not on.

Gone against my word and will answer.
I have not argued the point about the Focus driver being a knob and totally agree with you, I am only saying that the Porsche driver is also a knob in the way he was driving.

If I had been worried about travelling a few mile an hour over the limit I would simply have laid off the speed and pulled in behind the car in the inside lane travelling at 50mph, making the area around the cars safe and allowing the speeding Focus driver to continue as he likes at whatever speed he wants.

Its not difficult to see the Porsche driver could have been more aware of his speed, the environment and more considerate to a vehicle traveling at speed.
He was obliviously trying to wind the Focus driver up which is pretty stupid and could easily have led to an accident that yes would have been the Focus drivers fault, but why on earth would you put yourself in such a position when there is an easy out.

You are trying to make a pretty stupid point, imagine everyone drove like the Porsche driver on the motorways by not allowing speeding vehicles past "because I am going at the speed limit"

Both Focus and Porsche drivers were in the wrong.....................

[Pan Pan Pan]

tighnamara said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

No I was definitely not in the 911, but would ask (even if you wont answer), If you had been in the 911, would you have accelerated to above the posted limit, risking getting a speeding fine in an average speed camera zone, simply to allow the knobber in the focus to get by?
Remember it is entirely possible for the 911 to already have been travelling above the 50 limit back down the road, and who then decided it might be best to drop back to the posted limit, to avoid getting a speeding fine, That he was alongside me when this thought struck him is purely happenstance
Of course the correct course of action in all of this would be for the knobber to fall back from the rear of the 911 to a safe distance behind, and then travel at the posted limit of 50 mph, until reaching the NSL zone, but you don't even seem to have considered this (legal) option, Preferring the 911 to break the speed limit, so that the knobber could also then break the speed limit seems a strange way of looking at it,(unless of course you are one of those who regularly indulges in the illegal type of driving displayed by the knobber) who was grossly exceeding the posted limit, and then indulging in tailgating. If he wanted tailgate, break the limit and lose his license that is his business, but to try to bully other drivers into doing so, when they are already travelling at the posted limit is not on.

Gone against my word and will answer.
I have not argued the point about the Focus driver being a knob and totally agree with you, I am only saying that the Porsche driver is also a knob in the way he was driving.

If I had been worried about travelling a few mile an hour over the limit I would simply have laid off the speed and pulled in behind the car in the inside lane travelling at 50mph, making the area around the cars safe and allowing the speeding Focus driver to continue as he likes at whatever speed he wants.

Its not difficult to see the Porsche driver could have been more aware of his speed, the environment and more considerate to a vehicle traveling at speed.
He was obliviously trying to wind the Focus driver up which is pretty stupid and could easily have led to an accident that yes would have been the Focus drivers fault, but why on earth would you put yourself in such a position when there is an easy out.

You are trying to make a pretty stupid point, imagine everyone drove like the Porsche driver on the motorways by not allowing speeding vehicles past "because I am going at the speed limit"

Both Focus and Porsche drivers were in the wrong.....................

I would not disagree with your last sentence, but IMO the focus driver was the worst knobber by far, by
A. grossly exceeding the 50 mph limit, in a section of road with average speed cameras, how dumb is that?
B. tailgating a vehicle that was clearly travelling at the posted limit.
C. not having the patience to wait a matter of no more than a minute or so, to reach the NSL section the signs for which were clearly visible up the road.
You seem intent on making the 911 driver out as being equally as knobbish as the focus driver, when this was clearly not the case., Yes, the 911 driver was initially travelling just over the limit, but travelling perfectly legally in the offside lane, by the time the focus driver had reached him .
The focus driver was travelling massively over the limit in his haste to get up behind, and then tailgate the 911. So there is simply no equating the knobbishness of the two drivers.
Look at some of the other posts above, to see how people feel about knobbish tailgaters..

[ManOpener]

I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees he was the bigger tool- that doesn't preclude the Porsche driver from also being a plum, albeit not the prize one.

[HTP99]

AlexRS2782 said:

All that effort to get just 1 car ahead on the road you absolute sponge

It's like when you join a congested motorway, there is alway some idiot who joins at the same time and you clock him weaving about, undertaking, constantly changing lane, up people's backsides and generally driving like a cock, whereas as you stay put and just run with it.

Invariably the two of you generally stay together; he's got all stressed moving about and being aggressive and got nowhere, you've remained calm, have stayed in the same lane and guess what; he's still with you and no further up the road.

[Kuji]

ManOpener said:

I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees he was the bigger tool- that doesn't preclude the Porsche driver from also being a plum, albeit not the prize one.

This.

[Monkeylegend]

Kuji said:

ManOpener said:

I don't think anyone necessarily disagrees he was the bigger tool- that doesn't preclude the Porsche driver from also being a plum, albeit not the prize one.

This.

I wonder if the Porsche and Ford driver are still thinking about the incident?

I wonder if they even knew there was an incident?