The "Sh*t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread Vol 3
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Centurion07 said:
White Audi went in front of the Ka, grey Audi was looking to drop in behind the Ka and in front of DCW; doesn't get much more "in turn" than that.
If EVERYBODY used both lanes up to the closure and merged AT THE CONES then this kind of thing couldn't happen, could it? Think about it. That's why it's illogical to merge anywhere other than right at the cones as everybody's judgement on WHERE the merge point should be is different.
Merging at the cones and ONLY at the cones makes this a complete non-issue but the bloody road captains out there cause this kind of thing to occur.
But that isn't stated in the Highway Code is it? What happens if the road closure is in the form of an abrupt stop like the highway lorries? What do you do then? The KA merged in turn, the white Audi as you have written yourself "went infront of the KA" I can't quite understand where that is merging in turn.If EVERYBODY used both lanes up to the closure and merged AT THE CONES then this kind of thing couldn't happen, could it? Think about it. That's why it's illogical to merge anywhere other than right at the cones as everybody's judgement on WHERE the merge point should be is different.
Merging at the cones and ONLY at the cones makes this a complete non-issue but the bloody road captains out there cause this kind of thing to occur.
In an ideal world waiting until your at the cones would be good but nothing is ever ideal, does that mean the Audi drivers have the right to then push in? Is it wrong that the KA decided to move into lane in good time? Like stated it was probably 50ft of clear carriageway, hardly like the KA merge 600 yards before the closure.
You could also say that with your reply your being a "bloody internet captain" or is that ok but he can't do it in case of a challenge by another person?
Burnzyb said:
In an ideal world waiting until your at the cones would be good but nothing is ever ideal, does that mean the Audi drivers have the right to then push in? Is it wrong that the KA decided to move into lane in good time? Like stated it was probably 50ft of clear carriageway, hardly like the KA merge 600 yards before the closure.
It's almost literally black and white: the cones ARE the merge point. It takes away any decision from ALL drivers about exactly when to merge hence stopping those kind of situations.One man's good manners is another's wasted empty lane. Merge at the cones and there is NO ambiguity. Merge early and you potentially end up letting more than one car merge i.e. queue jump. Use both lanes to the cones and zip merging is the easiest, most logical and natural thing in the world.
There are plenty of vids on YT from various official agencies i.e. ones with actual scientific evidence to back it up that explain it, but it's the halfwit road captain mentality that prevents it happening in the real world.
Just like the Morgan vid, there will always be people that think because they say it it must be true, despite all evidence to the contrary.
BIANCO said:
daveinhampshire said:
It's all about manners, merging in good time while people may not like it is going to be more acceptable than flying up to the cones and stinking of arrogance.
This^ and if you do decide to do it then put your indicator on and sit there until some one lets you in which will eventually happen. Don't do what this stupid bint did and try and force your way in. Apologies for correcting two typos, assuming they were?
daveinhampshire said:
It's all about manners, merging in good time while people may not like it is going to be more acceptable than flying up to the cones and stinking of arrogance.
If half of the idiots in the left hand lane had used the right hand lane correctly, the queue would be half the length, and if they "merge in turn" correctly they will close in like a zip and keep moving....albeit at a slightly slower pace, but then everybody in theory should be a little happier with steady progress. That is how merge in turn is supposed to work.........but way too many muppets refuse to understand that. I mean, It's not rocket science is it ?? BIANCO said:
daveinhampshire said:
It's all about manners, merging in good time while people may not like it is going to be more acceptable than flying up to the cones and stinking of arrogance.
This^ and if you do decide to do it then put your indicator on and sit there until some sap lest you in which will eventually happen. Don't do what this stupid bint did and try and force your way in. Centurion07 said:
It's almost literally black and white: the cones ARE the merge point. It takes away any decision from ALL drivers about exactly when to merge hence stopping those kind of situations.
One man's good manners is another's wasted empty lane. Merge at the cones and there is NO ambiguity. Merge early and you potentially end up letting more than one car merge i.e. queue jump. Use both lanes to the cones and zip merging is the easiest, most logical and natural thing in the world.
There are plenty of vids on YT from various official agencies i.e. ones with actual scientific evidence to back it up that explain it, but it's the halfwit road captain mentality that prevents it happening in the real world.
Just like the Morgan vid, there will always be people that think because they say it it must be true, despite all evidence to the contrary.
You've not bothered to answer the questions like what do you do if the lane closure is abrupt?One man's good manners is another's wasted empty lane. Merge at the cones and there is NO ambiguity. Merge early and you potentially end up letting more than one car merge i.e. queue jump. Use both lanes to the cones and zip merging is the easiest, most logical and natural thing in the world.
There are plenty of vids on YT from various official agencies i.e. ones with actual scientific evidence to back it up that explain it, but it's the halfwit road captain mentality that prevents it happening in the real world.
Just like the Morgan vid, there will always be people that think because they say it it must be true, despite all evidence to the contrary.
You've just agreed that both audis que jumped, and that is why the van driver decided to act the way he did, I believe the Morgan was 100% in the wrong in the vid and how anyone has a differing opinion is beyond me.
But I still stand by the fact both audis tried to que jump, first Audi found someone willing to let it go, second Audi found a not so willing counterpart and then became extremely obnoxious because she didn't get her own way, the van driver clearly lets the KA merge so he isn't being an ass, he just doesn't believe the Audi driver has the right to push in which he is entitled to.
There is also a thread on here stating that the closing lane traffic needs to filter into the open lane and as such should give way to traffic in the open lane, it also states the information is backed up by the Highway Agencies, so in this instance the Audi driver is still in the wrong.
Personally if I was in the same situation, I'd of stayed behind the van and continued on in the right lane until I got to the cones, and merged as supposed to, I have done this on many occasion, and everyone seems to be quite happy with that approach as it seems fair for everyone.
Everyone is replying as if the KA merged a few miles before the cones, which is clearly not the case by looking at the video, and albeit they didn't wait until the cones they still used most of the merging lane.
Everyone is replying as if the KA merged a few miles before the cones, which is clearly not the case by looking at the video, and albeit they didn't wait until the cones they still used most of the merging lane.
BIANCO said:
No its costing people money to sit in these queues.
Yes, it is. Which is why all drivers should use both lanes up to the merge point, rather than joining the longer queue, and then complaining about the drivers who choose to join the shorter queue.BIANCO said:
The Clue is in the name merge in turn the idea is for both lanes to move at the same speed. The car in the lane that others are merging into lets one car in and the car behind lets one car in.
Yes, that is precisely how it should work.BIANCO said:
To me if you know the lane you are in is ending you move over as soon as possible not at the last minute.
You were nearly there, until this, which goes against everything that you have correctly said before.BIANCO said:
Merge in turn is one thing but the pricks who push in at the last minute at junctions sometimes blocking live lanes of motorways to do so really piss me off. At the end of the M62 going onto the M60 is a good example of this. I don't know what annoys me the most the t
ts that push in or the ball less wonders who let them in who seems to love wasting money sat in queues.
This seems to be a wholly different issue to merge in turn at a lane closure.ts that push in or the ball less wonders who let them in who seems to love wasting money sat in queues. Finally, as you haven't said to the contrary, I presume that you acknowledge that your shop queue analogy was indeed b
ks.Burnzyb said:
You've not bothered to answer the questions like what do you do if the lane closure is abrupt?
You've just agreed that both audis que jumped, and that is why the van driver decided to act the way he did, I believe the Morgan was 100% in the wrong in the vid and how anyone has a differing opinion is beyond me.
But I still stand by the fact both audis tried to que jump, first Audi found someone willing to let it go, second Audi found a not so willing counterpart and then became extremely obnoxious because she didn't get her own way, the van driver clearly lets the KA merge so he isn't being an ass, he just doesn't believe the Audi driver has the right to push in which he is entitled to.
There is also a thread on here stating that the closing lane traffic needs to filter into the open lane and as such should give way to traffic in the open lane, it also states the information is backed up by the Highway Agencies, so in this instance the Audi driver is still in the wrong.
If I have stated they "queue jumped" then it was only to emphasis the mentality of people like the DCW.You've just agreed that both audis que jumped, and that is why the van driver decided to act the way he did, I believe the Morgan was 100% in the wrong in the vid and how anyone has a differing opinion is beyond me.
But I still stand by the fact both audis tried to que jump, first Audi found someone willing to let it go, second Audi found a not so willing counterpart and then became extremely obnoxious because she didn't get her own way, the van driver clearly lets the KA merge so he isn't being an ass, he just doesn't believe the Audi driver has the right to push in which he is entitled to.
There is also a thread on here stating that the closing lane traffic needs to filter into the open lane and as such should give way to traffic in the open lane, it also states the information is backed up by the Highway Agencies, so in this instance the Audi driver is still in the wrong.
What exactly do you mean by an abrupt lane closure? You deal with that as it appears; you move over when you can since in that scenario the speed differential is too great to go right up to the closure.
As for the closing lane supposedly giving way to the open lane, have a think about it and see if you can envisage any problems with that...
Do you have a link to it?
I'm just bored and angry at the world 
This is the thread I referenced earlier....
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=15...
This is the thread I referenced earlier....
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=15...
White van man keeps their reputation alive - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD1y53atRUA
Latest WelshDrive - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_QWoLWLUq8
imdeman87 said:
White van man keeps their reputation alive - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD1y53atRUA
If the police can't prosecute because they can't identify the driver the law needs changing, anyone driving like that needs a ban to show them the error of their ways, if the registered keeper won't identify the driver the registered keeper gets the ban.
It's my life
s like that are fking about with imdeman87 said:
Dodgy overtake - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZCGD6J70O4
An Audi pushing in, you don't see that very often.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff