RE: UK (finally) registers millionth electric vehicle

[blistacompact]

Evanivitch said:

Because we stopped heavy manufacturing and outsource it to... China!

What about india then? We've been massively outsourcing there too?

"Per capita consumption-based CO? emissions, 2021

Consumption-based emissions are national emissions that have been adjusted for trade. It's production-basedemissions minus emissions embedded in exports, plus emissions embedded in imports.

2000
uk: 12,6
france 8,9
chine:2,6
inde: 0,9

2021
uk: 7,6
france: 6,4
chine: 7,2
inde: 1,7


Data source: Global Carbon Budget (2023); Population based on varioussources (2023) – Learn more about this data
OurWorldInData.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions "

And india has just started...
There are billions of people outside of very developped countries who just intend to be wealthier, consume more, possess more, travel more, fly more...

Edited by blistacompact on Tuesday 6th February 21:26

Edited by blistacompact on Tuesday 6th February 21:27

[ITP]

Condi said:

irc said:

The World Bank disagrees. China per capita is higher. China 7.8 tons per year. The UK 4.6

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.P...

Carbon Brief put per capita consumption of China at about half of the USA and only 1/3rd of Australia.

https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/the-carbon-bri...

Per capita emissions is irrelevant if the UK has outsourced all its manufacturing and then buys laptops, cars, clothing etc from abroad.

That’s true, also, where does everyone get their data from for all these statistics? As we know depending on where the figures come from, and what agenda wants to be pushed, they will be twisted to show a certain thing. The famous ‘97% of scientists’ one being an example, that was only actually 33%.

[irc]

Condi said:

Carbon Brief put per capita consumption of China at about half of the USA and only 1/3rd of Australia.

https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/the-carbon-bri...

Per capita emissions is irrelevant if the UK has outsourced all its manufacturing and then buys laptops, cars, clothing etc from abroad.

Not at all. If the CO2 still counts even though it is coming from China we might as well just have kept coal power and cheap electricity ourseleves.

[Nomme de Plum]

blistacompact said:

What about india then? We've been massively outsourcing there too?

"Per capita consumption-based CO? emissions, 2021

Consumption-based emissions are national emissions that have been adjusted for trade. It's production-basedemissions minus emissions embedded in exports, plus emissions embedded in imports.

2000
uk: 12,6
france 8,9
chine:2,6
inde: 0,9

2021
uk: 7,6
france: 6,4
chine: 7,2
inde: 1,7


Data source: Global Carbon Budget (2023); Population based on varioussources (2023) – Learn more about this data
OurWorldInData.org/co2-and-greenhouse-gas-emissions "

And india has just started...
There are billions of people outside of very developped countries who just intend to be wealthier, consume more, possess more, travel more, fly more...

Edited by blistacompact on Tuesday 6th February 21:26

Edited by blistacompact on Tuesday 6th February 21:27

Yes and taking into account our treatment of India ( East India Company) and then trading heroin into China we owe them some leeway.

At least China has a plan. India less so.

The developed nations built their wealth on the back of the undeveloped ones. That chicken was always going to come home to roust at some point.

[Nomme de Plum]

irc said:

Not at all. If the CO2 still counts even though it is coming from China we might as well just have kept coal power and cheap electricity ourseleves.

I really see no logic in that statement. Can you not work out why?

[Condi]

irc said:

Not at all. If the CO2 still counts even though it is coming from China we might as well just have kept coal power and cheap electricity ourseleves.

The cheap power wasn't the reason manufacturering went to China, cheap labour was.

Of course the CO2 still counts, you can't consume all manner of goods and pretend there is no environmental impact just because it was produced over the horizon. The atmosphere knows no difference.

[braddo]

irc said:

Not at all. If the CO2 still counts even though it is coming from China we might as well just have kept coal power and cheap electricity ourselves.

But that's irrelevant. Either way, Western consumers have a higher carbon footprint than their counterparts in China and India.

And India is never going to get near China's carbon emissions, unless huge swathes of manufacturing left China and moved to India. Ain't gonna happen.

[braddo]

blistacompact said:

And india has just started...
There are billions of people outside of very developped countries who just intend to be wealthier, consume more, possess more, travel more, fly more...

That will take 40 years or more, if it ever happens. By then the CO2 impact of that additional consumption will be comparatively far less than what it would be today. Energy production, transport, shipping, aviation, building methods etc etc - there will be far less CO2 emitted by then.

[simonrockman]

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

[Glenn63]

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

It is odd, new M5 comes out everyone’s outraged it weighs 6 grams more than the old one. Talk about EV’s no mention of their vast weight.

[911Spanker]

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

It's all about saving a few quid and tailpipe emissions.

Everything else including the damage they do to the environment in other ways is swept under the very large rug..

[T_S_M]

911Spanker said:

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

It's all about saving a few quid and tailpipe emissions.

Everything else including the damage they do to the environment in other ways is swept under the very large rug..

Of course, its a tool for getting to and from work. Even if costs were the same, purely from a driving perspective, I'd rather drive an EV everyday than a rattly diesel.

I also have a V8 with half the cats missing, you think the environment is anywhere on my list of priorities

[Zero Fuchs]

T_S_M said:

Of course, its a tool for getting to and from work. Even if costs were the same, purely from a driving perspective, I'd rather drive an EV everyday than a rattly diesel.

I also have a V8 with half the cats missing, you think the environment is anywhere on my list of priorities

Yes, but because you own an EV amongst your fleet, you must be placed in a box. It just doesn't compute otherwise.

Makes you wonder how these people get on in daily life. Must be challenging to say the least.

[ChocolateFrog]

911Spanker said:

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

It's all about saving a few quid and tailpipe emissions.

Everything else including the damage they do to the environment in other ways is swept under the very large rug..

It's not really a surprise is it.

Whats important to the individual? Cost and then not polluting the street your kids walk down to go to school.

I doubt most people could point to where their car was made on a map, let alone the open cast mine that the primary ingredients came from.

[monkfish1]

911Spanker said:

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

It's all about saving a few quid and tailpipe emissions.

Everything else including the damage they do to the environment in other ways is swept under the very large rug..

For the private consumer, doesnt even save a few quid.

[monkfish1]

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

Nothing about driving pleasure. Because there isnt any.

[V 02]

monkfish1 said:

Nothing about driving pleasure. Because there isnt any.

Think you should have a drive in a Taycan, Abarth 500e, Mini Cooper S or an iPace..

[Shelsleyf2]

simundo777 said:

Well anyone that did will be crying into their soya milk when they realise how much it's actually cost them!

I am on my second EV.Ist was a Nissan leaf bought for £10250 2 years old 20,000 miles. Sold 3 years later for £8500 with 52000 miles zero maintenance. Bought an i3 rex 2 years old 21000 miles paid £17500, current value having owned it 5 years and 35000miles added would seem to be £13500. So I am more than happy. Other than tyres and an oil change on rex minimal maintenance.

Obviously other ppl have other stories experiences

[Nomme de Plum]

monkfish1 said:

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

Nothing about driving pleasure. Because there isnt any.

I disagree vehemently. The Taycan I had was a great drive very rapid with good handling and the i3s i have in the UK is a hoot to drive.

As they say there are none so blind.

[ajap1979]

monkfish1 said:

simonrockman said:

Mafioso said:

Surely nobody in their right mind actually buys an EV? I assume most on the road are fleet vehicles or leased?

There is something magic about EVs that turns even the most dedicated car nut into an accountant.

Watch this thread, and even on Pistonheads, it will be about cost per pile, BIK, residual value.

There will be nothing about low centre of mass, torque, or driving pleasure. And this is Pistonheads not Money Supermarket.

Nothing about driving pleasure. Because there isnt any.

Don't be so arrogant. People like different things. I wouldn't be seen dead in any of your current fleet.