RE: Paris 2012: F-Type, full details
Discussion
audidoody said:
"Singer songwriter, Lana Del Rey will collaborate with Jaguar on the launch of the all-new F-TYPE, a two-seater sports car that is a vivid representation of the vitality of the Jaguar brand".
Well that tells you all you need to know about their target market.
The same target market when they launched the XK120,140,150 and E-Type then.Well that tells you all you need to know about their target market.
CatScan said:
kith said:
£58,500 for the base model with 18s, cloth seats, no SatNav?? They've got to be kidding! These will be £65k on the road, I think they've seriously misjudged the market.
Who mentioned cloth seats and no SatNav? Except for the recently added to the bottom of the list XF Jag don't do a car with cloth seats (and I think even the XF's are 'part leather'. They also don't do a car without SatNav, don't think they'd start with this.Hellbound said:
I understand why people on this forum get angry every time someone throws used cars into a new car thread. BUT, as a reflection of normal, every society, comparing new with used is perfectly acceptable. AND, it's forums like this which are being unreasonable and unrealistic.
While I accept that there are many people who wouldn't consider a used car over a new one, I also accept that there'll be many more buyers who, after test driving an F-Type V8, will walk into an Aston Martin dealer and ask to test drive a one owner, nearly new V12 Vantage. Comparisons have to be made you see, and knowing what you can buy for your money, new or otherwise, is vital.
I laugh a little to myself whenever a zealot on here yells "But you can't do that". It's all poppycock really.
No you are wrong .. compare like with like. We are talking about how the car compares with the new car market as its new!While I accept that there are many people who wouldn't consider a used car over a new one, I also accept that there'll be many more buyers who, after test driving an F-Type V8, will walk into an Aston Martin dealer and ask to test drive a one owner, nearly new V12 Vantage. Comparisons have to be made you see, and knowing what you can buy for your money, new or otherwise, is vital.
I laugh a little to myself whenever a zealot on here yells "But you can't do that". It's all poppycock really.
RobDickinson said:
k-ink said:
I don't see it that way. This F-Type is vastly heavier than a boxster. It is no sportscar. It is a 2 seater GT instead.
It has bugger all luggage capacity how can it be a GT?I can see it being a pricier car than the boxster and as a result more rare... but it does beg the question, frankly who on earth would then want to buy an XK cab... it will be even heavier, slower and lets be honest if its even more expensive then your into Bentley GTC and Aston price territory... the XK will become a very rare machine indeed as no one will want them... But the f type will be the saving grace for the company...
Pr1964 said:
Am I the only person who thinks this looks like a Nissan with a big mouth?
f1ten said:
I can see it being a pricier car than the boxster and as a result more rare... but it does beg the question, frankly who on earth would then want to buy an XK cab... it will be even heavier, slower and lets be honest if its even more expensive then your into Bentley GTC and Aston price territory... the XK will become a very rare machine indeed as no one will want them... But the f type will be the saving grace for the company...
Not so sure. Bear in mind that the last proper 'sports car' Jaguar built was the six-cylinder E-type, and when that evolved into the V12 with its 2+2-only coupe option, then the XJS, it was responding to a significant change in its customer base who wanted a big, soft GT rather than a sports car.What Jaguar's done here is acknowledged that cars like the XF have brought a younger customer base back to them. However, the market is still there for older customers who want XKs. The F-type is for the person trading up from an XF, I reckon.
DJRC said:
The XK is moving upwards, into much more genuine SL and DB9 volante territory. Jaguar have said thing all along.
But crucially, it's moving upwards while the Mercedes and Aston are also moving upwards, doing that Jaguar 'thing' of being just as good for a lot less money, with larger numbers on the roads being the only real drawback in terms of exclusivity.People are complaining about the price of the F-type, but bear this in mind - it undercuts the 911 while going just as fast. The E-type did that.
Also, in 1961 when the E-type was released, it was cheap for a 150mph car, but it was still £2k. According to the FT, and converting into new money, the average salary back then was £1006 p.a, so the E-type was still twice what most people earned in a year.
Nowadays the average salary is £24k or thereabouts. So the F-type isn't far off where the E-type was in the Sixties, price-wise. Bear in mind that a 911 was more expensive than an E-type when new too - only by a few undred quid, but a few hundred quid back then was like a few thousand now.
I think they're shooting themselves in the foot here.
Stick the XK into Astons price range and everyone will buy the Aston, regardless of whether the Jag is better.
This F-Type better be popular, but I have a feeling people will get confused between it and the XK because it's taking over the XK's price slot whilst they're still retaining the XK model.
Stick the XK into Astons price range and everyone will buy the Aston, regardless of whether the Jag is better.
This F-Type better be popular, but I have a feeling people will get confused between it and the XK because it's taking over the XK's price slot whilst they're still retaining the XK model.
F1GTRUeno said:
I think they're shooting themselves in the foot here.
Stick the XK into Astons price range and everyone will buy the Aston, regardless of whether the Jag is better.
This F-Type better be popular, but I have a feeling people will get confused between it and the XK because it's taking over the XK's price slot whilst they're still retaining the XK model.
I'm not so sure that I'd buy an Aston over a Jag - It's not just the purchase price but also the cost of ownership. I think the Jag is still likely to be better value.Stick the XK into Astons price range and everyone will buy the Aston, regardless of whether the Jag is better.
This F-Type better be popular, but I have a feeling people will get confused between it and the XK because it's taking over the XK's price slot whilst they're still retaining the XK model.
I believe that whilst there's definitely some overlap in terms of pricing points, there are plenty of people who would never have seriously considered buying an XK, who would be interested in the F-type. Also base model is £58,500, which is a lot cheaper than the base XK convertible (£71,430).
k-ink said:
Well the weight dictates it is not a sportscar no matter what else. Therefore it is a GT. It might not be the most practical GT in the world, but there you go.
Although you couldn't take it on a Grand Tour, so it's not a GT. 
Sports car is just a very generic term and most GT cars would fall under such a wide label.
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