RE: New Corvette revealed at last!

[Jimbeaux]

DonkeyApple said:

5 USA said:

That's the whole idea, when you're seeing,

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world
• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world
• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world
• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world
• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world
• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

This should be an interesting diversion.

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world

I can believe that as a 'brand' it has sold more units than any other?

• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world

I just cannot see this being a valid claim.

• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world

Again, I can't really see this being valid.

• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world

I guess it must be in the running, certainly seems a plausible claim.

• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world

Absolutely not. For starters the GT40 is infinitely superior in this regard.

• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

I don't think I can believe this claim but I wouldn't bet against it.

I have to agree with ole' 5 here. You would be surprised.

[mackie1]

I suspect the new V8 SLK 55 AMG is better on fuel - 32mpg and sub 200g/km CO2 - amazing for a 5.5l NA V8.

[300bhp/ton]

mackie1 said:

I suspect the new V8 SLK 55 AMG is better on fuel - 32mpg and sub 200g/km CO2 - amazing for a 5.5l NA V8.

Is that 32mpg EPA?

[mackie1]

300bhp/ton said:

mackie1 said:

I suspect the new V8 SLK 55 AMG is better on fuel - 32mpg and sub 200g/km CO2 - amazing for a 5.5l NA V8.

Is that 32mpg EPA?

33.6 actually and I assume that's official Euro combined cycle figure. It'll be interesting to see whether the LT1 equipped C7 can match that.

Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/...

ETA: I suspect to get that figure they've some some cunning mapping/auto box optimisation because it seems too good to be true otherwise. It's better than the x35i engine from BMW and somewhat more powerful out of the box.

[300bhp/ton]

mackie1 said:

300bhp/ton said:

mackie1 said:

I suspect the new V8 SLK 55 AMG is better on fuel - 32mpg and sub 200g/km CO2 - amazing for a 5.5l NA V8.

Is that 32mpg EPA?

33.6 actually and I assume that's official Euro combined cycle figure. It'll be interesting to see whether the LT1 equipped C7 can match that.

Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/...

Right, couple of points. 1 while I know what relation Autocar is to PH, Autocar do have a tendency to being appalling with stats and often get them wrong or mix them up or change the units.

2. and more importantly, EPA is a US standard and not only won't use Euro testing methods but will be using US not imperial gallons.

[mackie1]

The figures are correct, but we don't have comparable figures for the C7 yet.

[JREwing]

I think it's brilliant. I'm very impressed by GM recently.

[300bhp/ton]

mackie1 said:

33.6 actually and I assume that's official Euro combined cycle figure. It'll be interesting to see whether the LT1 equipped C7 can match that.

Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/...

ETA: I suspect to get that figure they've some some cunning mapping/auto box optimisation because it seems too good to be true otherwise. It's better than the x35i engine from BMW and somewhat more powerful out of the box.

Ok the MB site is pretty horrid at trying to find anything other then scrolling pictures.

But it seems they claim 28mpg Highway and 18mpg City EPA (on their US site) and 415 "horsepower" but don't specify if that's bhp SAE Net like US makers to PS like most German companies normally do. If it's PS then 415PS is less power than 415bhp SAE Net.

And "Torques of 398" but don't specify the unit or standard being used

http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/compare/cat...

And a starting price of $67,990.


The Corvette makes 430bhp SAE Net and 424lb ft of torque for a starting price of $49,900

MPG wise the 6.2 Vette is EPA rated at 16/26 city/highway


Good comparison info:
http://www.chevrolet.com/tools/comparator/compareV...

[Jimbeaux]

300bhp/ton said:

mackie1 said:

I suspect the new V8 SLK 55 AMG is better on fuel - 32mpg and sub 200g/km CO2 - amazing for a 5.5l NA V8.

Is that 32mpg EPA?

For US or UK gallons?

[Jimbeaux]

JREwing said:

I think it's brilliant. I'm very impressed by GM recently.

I am developing a soft spot for the Caddy ATS.

[LuS1fer]

Jimbeaux said:

I am developing a soft spot for the Caddy ATS.

Have they dropped a V8 in one yet as when they do, that will be next on my list.

[Jimbeaux]

LuS1fer said:

Jimbeaux said:

I am developing a soft spot for the Caddy ATS.

Have they dropped a V8 in one yet as when they do, that will be next on my list.

No, but some after market operation surely will. There appears to be some hot power options though involving multiple turbos.

[LuS1fer]

Jimbeaux said:

No, but some after market operation surely will. There appears to be some hot power options though involving multiple turbos.

Shame. There was a rumour they were going to squeeze in the V8. I appreciate they are going to target Europe but the Americans still tend to get the V8 and it would make a helluva car.

[DonkeyApple]

Jimbeaux said:

DonkeyApple said:

5 USA said:

That's the whole idea, when you're seeing,

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world
• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world
• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world
• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world
• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world
• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

This should be an interesting diversion.

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world

I can believe that as a 'brand' it has sold more units than any other?

• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world

I just cannot see this being a valid claim.

• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world

Again, I can't really see this being valid.

• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world

I guess it must be in the running, certainly seems a plausible claim.

• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world

Absolutely not. For starters the GT40 is infinitely superior in this regard.

• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

I don't think I can believe this claim but I wouldn't bet against it.

I have to agree with ole' 5 here. You would be surprised.

Jimbo, I'm very happy to be surprised, no issue there. Just looking to be educated on each point.

I'm a fan of Yankee wagons and I'd like to think I'm able to filter the vast amount of crap from the absolute gems (Don't forget, I grew up with Leyland et al) but think that a thread deviation to clarify the claims is defintely worthwhile and should be fun.

For starters, I can't believe that GM can be considered Le Mans heros ahead of the GT40 history, that to me is such a significant milestone in motorsport. Plus, I'm sure there must be a more efficient V8 sports car out there.

[Jimbeaux]

DonkeyApple said:

Jimbeaux said:

DonkeyApple said:

5 USA said:

That's the whole idea, when you're seeing,

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world
• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world
• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world
• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world
• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world
• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

This should be an interesting diversion.

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world

I can believe that as a 'brand' it has sold more units than any other?

• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world

I just cannot see this being a valid claim.

• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world

Again, I can't really see this being valid.

• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world

I guess it must be in the running, certainly seems a plausible claim.

• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world

Absolutely not. For starters the GT40 is infinitely superior in this regard.

• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

I don't think I can believe this claim but I wouldn't bet against it.

I have to agree with ole' 5 here. You would be surprised.

Jimbo, I'm very happy to be surprised, no issue there. Just looking to be educated on each point.

I'm a fan of Yankee wagons and I'd like to think I'm able to filter the vast amount of crap from the absolute gems (Don't forget, I grew up with Leyland et al) but think that a thread deviation to clarify the claims is defintely worthwhile and should be fun.

For starters, I can't believe that GM can be considered Le Mans heros ahead of the GT40 history, that to me is such a significant milestone in motorsport. Plus, I'm sure there must be a more efficient V8 sports car out there.

On the more efficient V8 sportscar, I don't know of one. I am not sure of the Mustang's mileage but are those two sports cars comparable? What is the mileage on the XK?

[DonkeyApple]

Jimbeaux said:

DonkeyApple said:

Jimbeaux said:

DonkeyApple said:

5 USA said:

That's the whole idea, when you're seeing,

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world
• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world
• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world
• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world
• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world
• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

This should be an interesting diversion.

• the most successful V8 sportscar in the world

I can believe that as a 'brand' it has sold more units than any other?

• the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world

I just cannot see this being a valid claim.

• the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world

Again, I can't really see this being valid.

• the longest running V8 sportscar in the world

I guess it must be in the running, certainly seems a plausible claim.

• the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world

Absolutely not. For starters the GT40 is infinitely superior in this regard.

• the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world

I don't think I can believe this claim but I wouldn't bet against it.

I have to agree with ole' 5 here. You would be surprised.

Jimbo, I'm very happy to be surprised, no issue there. Just looking to be educated on each point.

I'm a fan of Yankee wagons and I'd like to think I'm able to filter the vast amount of crap from the absolute gems (Don't forget, I grew up with Leyland et al) but think that a thread deviation to clarify the claims is defintely worthwhile and should be fun.

For starters, I can't believe that GM can be considered Le Mans heros ahead of the GT40 history, that to me is such a significant milestone in motorsport. Plus, I'm sure there must be a more efficient V8 sports car out there.

On the more efficient V8 sportscar, I don't know of one. I am not sure of the Mustang's mileage but are those two sports cars comparable? What is the mileage on the XK?

Don't forget there is a whole world outside of the US of A.

Something like the Morgan with the BMW V8 could be returning better numbers?

[kambites]

Most of those statements are so ambiguous that you could apply them to anything.

[Jimbeaux]

Slight topic derail but still GM:

http://www.cadillac.com/ats-luxury-sport-sedan.htm...

Offering a 2.0 turbo; a 3.7 direct injection V6; and a 2.5L NA. Did I miss one?

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 22 January 16:52

[anonymous-user]

kambites said:

Most of those statements are so ambiguous that you could apply them to anything.

How are TVR getting along these days?
How is Lotus getting along these days?
Is Morgan still building stuff from the 1930s?
Is Caterham still building stuff from the 1950s?
How is Noble getting along these days?
How is Jensen getting along these days?
How is Bristol getting along these days?
Has Ariel dominated the world with its V8 Atom?
Where's the Perana Z-one got to?
How are the running costs on the Italian exotics?

[kambites]

5 USA said:

kambites said:

Most of those statements are so ambiguous that you could apply them to anything.

How are TVR getting along these days?
How is Lotus getting along these days?
Is Morgan still building stuff from the 1930s?
Is Caterham still building stuff from the 1950s?
How is Noble getting along these days?
How is Jensen getting along these days?
How is Bristol getting along these days?
Has Ariel dominated the world with its V8 Atom?
Where's the Perana Z-one got to?
How are the running costs on the Italian exotics?

How do any of those things have any bearing on the ambiguity of your previous comments?

the most successful V8 sportscar in the world - "success" is not a well defined term in this context.
the best engineered V8 sportscar in the world - "well engineered" is not a well defined term in any context
the most reliable V8 sportscar in the world - again "most reliable" could mean anything
the longest running V8 sportscar in the world - I assume you mean that the name "Corvette" has been used for longest, in which case you're probably right
the greatest Le Mans V8 sportscar in the world - ambiguous statement
the most efficient V8 sportscar in the world - ambiguous and almost certainly not true by most definitions. Certainly the C6 loses out to the SLK on the US combined cycle thingie. Can't see figures for the C7 yet.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 23 January 10:58