mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?
Discussion
RSTurboPaul said:
Cliftonite said:
MKnight702 said:
Does anyone know how they calculate this 85th percentile. Say you have 1 car in a 60 limit doing 60 behind this the next car is Doris with her nose pressed against the windscreen roaring along at 35 with a train of 9 other cars stuck behind her. In the strictest sense the 85th percentile would be 35.
Perhaps a sample size greater than two is used?
Then with the new A14 upgrade there is now a bottleneck at Buckden roundabout. The locals in Buckden objected to some new housing being built because of the problems accessing and leaving the village at the roundabout, they banded together and did a traffic survey counting cars entering and leaving the roundabout. When they presented this real life data to the planning committee they were told that no, they were wrong, because the councils model gave a completely different answer.
There was a thread in the last year or so quoting a mathematical model to rank F1 drivers by *greatness".
There were a large number of 'anomalies', Schumacher way down the Top 50 being the most obvious, so the statisticians split his career into two eras so that the model gave a better answer, rather than admit that their model was flawed.
There were a large number of 'anomalies', Schumacher way down the Top 50 being the most obvious, so the statisticians split his career into two eras so that the model gave a better answer, rather than admit that their model was flawed.
Escort Si-130 said:
Of course, if you can use signal jammers to block out mobile phone etc. it would work the same.
The system will undoubtedly have a microcontroller or 2.https://www.edn.com/32-bit-mcus-boost-in-vehicle-s...
https://icmconference.org/wp-content/uploads/E21c-...
Even if some enterprising soul tries to hack all those safeguards, it will ring alarm bells the moment they try. And even if they succeed it will be overridden at the next update.
https://www.nxp.com/company/blog/applying-over-the...
Welshbeef said:
blank said:
Intelligent Speed Assist is part of the EU general safety regulation.
Apparently the UK did not adopt it when we left the EU so there is a chance it might not actually happen in the UK unless a similar regulation is made.
I actually think they're a good idea as they prevent people accidentally speeding, but still let you deliberately speed. This means that your average 40mph everywhere driver might actually stick to 30.
I personally can't see them ever being non switchable or unable to be overridden. They're simply not going to be right 100% of the time.
My C63 and new SMax has this it shows the sped limit of the current road be it temp or normal so you have it in the dash. If you go above it in the SMax it flashes no noise which is fine. In fact there are plenty of occasions I’d like to know the limit just incase I’ve missed a limit change. Apparently the UK did not adopt it when we left the EU so there is a chance it might not actually happen in the UK unless a similar regulation is made.
I actually think they're a good idea as they prevent people accidentally speeding, but still let you deliberately speed. This means that your average 40mph everywhere driver might actually stick to 30.
I personally can't see them ever being non switchable or unable to be overridden. They're simply not going to be right 100% of the time.
k ups from a dumb computer.TX.
Terminator X said:
Welshbeef said:
blank said:
Intelligent Speed Assist is part of the EU general safety regulation.
Apparently the UK did not adopt it when we left the EU so there is a chance it might not actually happen in the UK unless a similar regulation is made.
I actually think they're a good idea as they prevent people accidentally speeding, but still let you deliberately speed. This means that your average 40mph everywhere driver might actually stick to 30.
I personally can't see them ever being non switchable or unable to be overridden. They're simply not going to be right 100% of the time.
My C63 and new SMax has this it shows the sped limit of the current road be it temp or normal so you have it in the dash. If you go above it in the SMax it flashes no noise which is fine. In fact there are plenty of occasions I’d like to know the limit just incase I’ve missed a limit change. Apparently the UK did not adopt it when we left the EU so there is a chance it might not actually happen in the UK unless a similar regulation is made.
I actually think they're a good idea as they prevent people accidentally speeding, but still let you deliberately speed. This means that your average 40mph everywhere driver might actually stick to 30.
I personally can't see them ever being non switchable or unable to be overridden. They're simply not going to be right 100% of the time.
k ups from a dumb computer.TX.
Kawasicki said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I live on the continent so it's (only very slightly) different, but I've just ordered a new small estate. I discounted the Volvo V60 because it's speed limited and ordered a 3 Series instead because it isn't.
I maybe don't go that fast that often, but I want the freedom to decide when I do.
Freedom? Who‘s going to campaign for freedom? Safety is a much easier concept to sell.I maybe don't go that fast that often, but I want the freedom to decide when I do.
Welshbeef said:
2gins said:
Great, so what you're saying then is that 20mph speed limits are restricting cycle journeys as well as cars and increase danger to cyclists because they make it more likely for them to be caught out when coming alongside a left-turner. If you're experiencing this a lot while you're doing 20 mph it must be a big enough problem to consider getting rid of them.
Sorry I know it’s not even ten am but reading that have you had an early start on the booze as it doesn’t make any sense. 
Welshbeef said:
2gins said:
Great, so what you're saying then is that 20mph speed limits are restricting cycle journeys as well as cars and increase danger to cyclists because they make it more likely for them to be caught out when coming alongside a left-turner. If you're experiencing this a lot while you're doing 20 mph it must be a big enough problem to consider getting rid of them.
Sorry I know it’s not even ten am but reading that have you had an early start on the booze as it doesn’t make any sense. You said, in quite a lot of words so I'm paraphrasing, that 'cyclists can run at 20 mph too or even faster than that, so they will want to overtake the cars (I cycle, I can reach 22-23 mph, this statement is the reality), and this is a problem in 20 mph limits because cars don't expect cycles alongside and just turn into junctions without looking and the cycle goes straight in to the side' (This can happen with offside overtakes too, if he's turning right or jinks to avoid a pothole etc).
Then you said that to prevent this, the limits should be strictly enforced for cycles as well as for cars. In response, I pointed out that logically then, according to your argument, 20 mph limits are (a) increasing danger to cyclists because they increase the likelihood of being alongside and (b) restricting cycle journeys/progress because now people on bikes will also have to travel more slowly than they could in the original 30 limits. I then suggested that if this situation is happening to you a lot, then perhaps it is a big enough problem to consider that maybe 20 mph limits aren't the panacea of road safety that their supporters hold them up to be and maybe they should be binned.
It was a swipe at 20 mph speed limits, not speed limiters, maybe that is what confused you.
Welshbeef said:
If 20mph are to be stringent we need to address cyclists - especially where no formal cycle lane exists.
Cyclists easily average more than 20mph and some easily above 30mph in a 30mph. They undertake you - if no cycle lane they need to overtake you OR they need to have to follow the lower speed limits as currently there is a higher risk of an accident as most people do not expect undertaking.
Most when turning left are looking ahead on a single track lane when they are in L1 they simply turn which they may do at the prevailing speed limit or a very slow turn in. A cyclist could then simply crash into the side of the car thrown over the car into the road and potentially under a vehicle pulling out of that junction.
Cyclists easily average more than 20mph and some easily above 30mph in a 30mph. They undertake you - if no cycle lane they need to overtake you OR they need to have to follow the lower speed limits as currently there is a higher risk of an accident as most people do not expect undertaking.
Most when turning left are looking ahead on a single track lane when they are in L1 they simply turn which they may do at the prevailing speed limit or a very slow turn in. A cyclist could then simply crash into the side of the car thrown over the car into the road and potentially under a vehicle pulling out of that junction.
Kawasicki said:
vonhosen said:
ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares
Some will care (fervently not wanting it & others fervently wanting it), most will not care & just go with the flow.tommy1973s said:
Kawasicki said:
vonhosen said:
ghost83 said:
I’m really surprised there isn’t a new petition about this, either it’s slowly getting snuck in or no one cares
Some will care (fervently not wanting it & others fervently wanting it), most will not care & just go with the flow.Kawasicki said:
NMNeil said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
But the nice people, as you call them, won't even notice, but the ones who consider the speed limits more of a suggestion rather than a law will.The whole idea is to reduce the deaths on the roads caused by speeding, I just can't understand why some people are against it and believe that they have some sort of right to speed.
When speeding is massively reduced, road safety will be massively improved. Because speeding increases energy in accidents and less energy means less death and energy.
Do you consider that "speeding" and "breaking the speed limit" are synonymous?
How do you account for the fact that the unrestricted autobahns have fewer fatalities than speed restricted roads?
tommy1973s said:
Kawasicki said:
NMNeil said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
But the nice people, as you call them, won't even notice, but the ones who consider the speed limits more of a suggestion rather than a law will.The whole idea is to reduce the deaths on the roads caused by speeding, I just can't understand why some people are against it and believe that they have some sort of right to speed.
When speeding is massively reduced, road safety will be massively improved. Because speeding increases energy in accidents and less energy means less death and energy.
Do you consider that "speeding" and "breaking the speed limit" are synonymous?
How do you account for the fact that the unrestricted autobahns have fewer fatalities than speed restricted roads?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may...
Quote "In their 2008 report, the ETSC were firm and clear in their overall conclusion:
empirical evidence indicates that all instances' of introduced speed limits on German motorways have caused very large casualty reductions".
End quote
tommy1973s said:
Kawasicki said:
NMNeil said:
Kawasicki said:
Yep the ones not wanting it are anti-vax, trump/brexit supporting right winger types. Those fervently wanting it are caring/sharing types. The nice people basically.
But the nice people, as you call them, won't even notice, but the ones who consider the speed limits more of a suggestion rather than a law will.The whole idea is to reduce the deaths on the roads caused by speeding, I just can't understand why some people are against it and believe that they have some sort of right to speed.
When speeding is massively reduced, road safety will be massively improved. Because speeding increases energy in accidents and less energy means less death and energy.
Do you consider that "speeding" and "breaking the speed limit" are synonymous?
How do you account for the fact that the unrestricted autobahns have fewer fatalities than speed restricted roads?
They are the opinions of the masses.
The Autobahns would also be safer if they had a 80 km/h speed limit.
For the record, I love driving fast. I’m often found belting along autobahns as quickly as my car can manage. I simultaneously concentrate hard and drive very defensively, in a non-aggressive manner. I believe that a policeman sat beside me when I drive would have no good reason to think about prosecuting me.
I can see the writing on the wall though. What has happened in the UK is the future, and there seems to be many posters here on PH happy with the developments over the past couple of decades.
So, slow down, you psycho. Try being a nice, slow, person. It’s very relaxing, you know. Just give up, leave earlier FFS!!!
I’ve found that leaving earlier just increases my speed.
Gym opens at 6:15 and it’s about 15 mins away. If I leave at 6am then I need to drive straight there. If I leave at 5:15 I get to enjoy a load of empty roads. No police or camera vans out at that time either as it wouldn’t make financial sense.
If they start reducing motorway speed limits then it just makes A and B roads even more attractive.
Gym opens at 6:15 and it’s about 15 mins away. If I leave at 6am then I need to drive straight there. If I leave at 5:15 I get to enjoy a load of empty roads. No police or camera vans out at that time either as it wouldn’t make financial sense.
If they start reducing motorway speed limits then it just makes A and B roads even more attractive.
Kawasicki said:
The Autobahns would also be safer if they had a 80 km/h speed limit.
Autobahns would be even safer if they had a 50km/h (31mph) speed limit.Kawasicki said:
I can see the writing on the wall though. What has happened in the UK is the future, and there seems to be many posters here on PH happy with the developments over the past couple of decades.
So, slow down, you psycho. Try being a nice, slow, person. It’s very relaxing, you know. Just give up, leave earlier FFS!!!
Game is up in the UK. Need to accept that we are lucky to average half the speed Germans do on Autobahns. You are fortunate to be tolerated on UK roads at all.So, slow down, you psycho. Try being a nice, slow, person. It’s very relaxing, you know. Just give up, leave earlier FFS!!!
alfaspecial said:
I don't know if this is evidence
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may...
Quote "In their 2008 report, the ETSC were firm and clear in their overall conclusion:
empirical evidence indicates that all instances' of introduced speed limits on German motorways have caused very large casualty reductions".
End quote
The ETSC may make that claim, but it isn't credible.https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/may...
Quote "In their 2008 report, the ETSC were firm and clear in their overall conclusion:
empirical evidence indicates that all instances' of introduced speed limits on German motorways have caused very large casualty reductions".
End quote
If there was any *credible* evidence, unlimited autobahns would have been
banned many years ago. There isn't, so there is no ban. Free (ie unlimited)
roads for free people.
I suggest you have a look at the somewhat obscure and not well
known website wikipedia. Specifically:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn#Safety
Adding fuel to the fire to have speed limiters introduced in the US.
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...
NMNeil said:
Adding fuel to the fire to have speed limiters introduced in the US.
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...
First link not available in Europe.https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...
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