RE: Watch The McLaren Launch Live On PH
Discussion
Bombjack said:
anniesdad said:
You'd expect the F1 cars to have ever increasing numbers as development or the introduction of new F1 cars continues. I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that the roadcars will fit into this scale...at least that's what I read on the interweb once.
Fair enough. I should say though that my source isn't the interweb, or any journalist.P11 - what we now know as MP4-12C
P12 - Hypercar
P13 - "911 competitor"
We could have a gentleman's wager if you like
Bombjack said:
anniesdad said:
You'd expect the F1 cars to have ever increasing numbers as development or the introduction of new F1 cars continues. I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that the roadcars will fit into this scale...at least that's what I read on the interweb once.
Fair enough. I should say though that my source isn't the interweb, or any journalist.P11 - what we now know as MP4-12C
P12 - Hypercar
P13 - "911 competitor"
We could have a gentleman's wager if you like
The MP4 prefix is from the merger of McLaren and Ron Dennis' Project Four teams at the beginning of the 80s. From memory it was originally 'M' for Marlboro, who funded Dennis. When Marlboro split it become 'M' for McLaren, instead.
So all the cars share MP4.
The F1 cars are 'MP4/xx', where xx is just a sequential number.
The other projects become 'Pxx' where 'xx' is the sequential number of the project.
Looks like MSN news thinks the new McLaren is 'rubbish'...
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documen...
What a strange picture, why put a pic of a landfill site on a story about a new supercar?
http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/articles.aspx?cp-documen...
What a strange picture, why put a pic of a landfill site on a story about a new supercar?
Targarama said:
HeavySoul said:
nonuts said:
cronk-flakes said:
Most of the comments (me included) were knocking the presentation and the way it was handled. It was a bit mickey mouse, to be fair, and I would have expected more from a long established company with plenty of experience.
People that are technically excellent don't necessarily make good public speakers, I'd still rather hear from those on the launch today than have added 'spin' by some marketing t
t for the labour fkwit generation.I just wish they'd allowed general questions to all those that spoke, could have been fun.
bertie said:
Adrian W said:
HFEVO2 said:
"Except that it's jobs in China where a very high percentage of this car is made"
What evidence have you for this claim ?
All I can say is that i work in electronics, What evidence have you for this claim ?
I am not yet sold on the styling but huge credit to the vison and execution to date.
Clearly this first car is not everything they can do but they are wanting to launch the whole company with a product that has broader affordability than a £1m hypercar. The F1 has already shown what is possible technically, this car needs to prove the commercial and customer service philosophy.
Despite some of the negative comments, for me Ron Dennis' passion and enthusiasm came across clearly and especially how proud he is to be doing this in Woking England.
I really hope that this does inspire young English engineers and entrepreneurs because surely this country will need it to dig us out of the mess we find ourselves in.
Ron could easily have retired with his F1 achievements. He is taking a large personal risk in this venture but, if he pulls it off which I hope he does, we could also be looking back on it in 10 years time as being transformational for this country in many ways.
I really hope it sets a new inspiration for high tech and commercial business in this country.
Clearly this first car is not everything they can do but they are wanting to launch the whole company with a product that has broader affordability than a £1m hypercar. The F1 has already shown what is possible technically, this car needs to prove the commercial and customer service philosophy.
Despite some of the negative comments, for me Ron Dennis' passion and enthusiasm came across clearly and especially how proud he is to be doing this in Woking England.
I really hope that this does inspire young English engineers and entrepreneurs because surely this country will need it to dig us out of the mess we find ourselves in.
Ron could easily have retired with his F1 achievements. He is taking a large personal risk in this venture but, if he pulls it off which I hope he does, we could also be looking back on it in 10 years time as being transformational for this country in many ways.
I really hope it sets a new inspiration for high tech and commercial business in this country.
Edited by XTR2Turbo on Thursday 18th March 18:56
Reasonable debate here,but in my view this, as well as Ginetta's recent acquisition is the best thing that has happened to the British sports car industry in decades. We have major players now- whether any of us like the products or not. Remember that we have had two back toi back WDC in F1. Let's celebrate these facts!
The response here is dreadful. Who cares if the presentation skills aren’t fantastic?
Cynical postings about reading teleprompters and accents are childish.
I’d much rather have the people responsible for the car and business making the presentation than people who are merely good at presenting. When Orange sponsored the Arrows F1 team they had a supermodel at the launch just because someone thought an F1 car wasn’t sexy enough. At least the celebs here have real ties to what the launch is about.
Glitzy launches always lack substance. I’d much rather have this, where McLaren are clearly very serious about this as a business.
It’s a shame there wasn’t a Q&A.
--- Simon
Cynical postings about reading teleprompters and accents are childish.
I’d much rather have the people responsible for the car and business making the presentation than people who are merely good at presenting. When Orange sponsored the Arrows F1 team they had a supermodel at the launch just because someone thought an F1 car wasn’t sexy enough. At least the celebs here have real ties to what the launch is about.
Glitzy launches always lack substance. I’d much rather have this, where McLaren are clearly very serious about this as a business.
It’s a shame there wasn’t a Q&A.
--- Simon
simonrockman said:
It’s a shame there wasn’t a Q&A.
--- Simon
Shame for us. Journalists don't much like Q&As because if they have an incisive question, everybody else hears the answer, hence no exclusive. Q&As are usually only enjoyed by those journalists who want to showboat.--- Simon
Edited by Shape Shifter on Thursday 18th March 19:21
Good launch IMHO. McLaren will make it happen given their ethos. Frankly their only peer is Ferrari and providing the quality is solid they will take part of this limited market.
I've liked the Farbio from launch, but it was never going to make it at the price. I wish Ginetta luck, but I can't see them having any more luck unless the price/performance/quality equation changes. The McLaren is a in a different league.
I've liked the Farbio from launch, but it was never going to make it at the price. I wish Ginetta luck, but I can't see them having any more luck unless the price/performance/quality equation changes. The McLaren is a in a different league.
Flat6 said:
and they don't "make" engines, just components afaik
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