Bloodhound LSR Thread As Requested...
Discussion
Condi said:
dilbert2000 said:
I think you're right. Even with the perennial faffer Noble moved aside, I fail to see how sponsors are going to invest in something that's not really been of interest for several decades.
Regarding the environmental terrorist comment, the defenders will argue it produces less CO2 during its lifetime that one lactating cow in a year, etc. but it's the perception and what it represents that's wrong. Pop this dinosaur in a museum alongside Noble's other unfinished projects and move on to modern world challenges instead!
Its very sad when people stop pushing the boundaries of science in any direction. Yes the world is arguably moving on, but I'm sure the Bloodhound team are making discoveries in some fields which can then be applied to other things as well. Regarding the environmental terrorist comment, the defenders will argue it produces less CO2 during its lifetime that one lactating cow in a year, etc. but it's the perception and what it represents that's wrong. Pop this dinosaur in a museum alongside Noble's other unfinished projects and move on to modern world challenges instead!
And it'll be very very sad when people stop doing things, simply because they're cool and interesting.
Hawk1018 said:
dilbert2000 said:
I think you're right. Even with the perennial faffer Noble moved aside, I fail to see how sponsors are going to invest in something that's not really been of interest for several decades.
Regarding the environmental terrorist comment, the defenders will argue it produces less CO2 during its lifetime that one lactating cow in a year, etc. but it's the perception and what it represents that's wrong. Pop this dinosaur in a museum alongside Noble's other unfinished projects and move on to modern world challenges instead!
The awesome thing about a project like this, is that what you think or feel, or how much you put down others, does not affect the project....you are not involved. If you think the entire transportation system of the world is going electric, or will revert to Horse and buggy days, you are mistaken. Regarding the environmental terrorist comment, the defenders will argue it produces less CO2 during its lifetime that one lactating cow in a year, etc. but it's the perception and what it represents that's wrong. Pop this dinosaur in a museum alongside Noble's other unfinished projects and move on to modern world challenges instead!
Edited by dilbert2000 on Wednesday 19th December 16:22
dilbert2000 said:
Condi said:
dilbert2000 said:
I think you're right. Even with the perennial faffer Noble moved aside, I fail to see how sponsors are going to invest in something that's not really been of interest for several decades.
Regarding the environmental terrorist comment, the defenders will argue it produces less CO2 during its lifetime that one lactating cow in a year, etc. but it's the perception and what it represents that's wrong. Pop this dinosaur in a museum alongside Noble's other unfinished projects and move on to modern world challenges instead!
Its very sad when people stop pushing the boundaries of science in any direction. Yes the world is arguably moving on, but I'm sure the Bloodhound team are making discoveries in some fields which can then be applied to other things as well. Regarding the environmental terrorist comment, the defenders will argue it produces less CO2 during its lifetime that one lactating cow in a year, etc. but it's the perception and what it represents that's wrong. Pop this dinosaur in a museum alongside Noble's other unfinished projects and move on to modern world challenges instead!
And it'll be very very sad when people stop doing things, simply because they're cool and interesting.
dilbert2000 said:
I'm not sure what the future holds for transportation. I'm not sure if it'll be all electric or something else. I do know it won't be 1000mph jet/rocket cars though!
You are missing the point of the Bloodhound project. The project could very well lead to new technologies being used in public transportation, or bright new minds who were inspired by the project to develop new technologies, or new ways of doing old things.Edited by dilbert2000 on Wednesday 19th December 16:22
To think the project is not relevant, nor important may be your opinion...…..but is not fact.
dilbert2000 said:
I would agree that pushing the boundaries is great, but this project was all about pushing boundaries that don'e really need pushing further, and that most people (hardcore petrolheads aside) have move on from.
What boundaries do you think it is pushing? There has been development in areas like aerodynamics, materials science, rocket technology, fuel system technology, etc all of which will be relevant areas in 100, 200 years time for all sort of applications. The car itself is just a reason to bring them all together to achieve something awesome.
We are standing on the shoulders of giants, as the phrase goes, and what research in one area is never wasted, and may just mean someone else makes a breakthrough in something totally different.
And you could ask the same of anything.... why did Scott walk to the Pole? Why did Hilary climb Everest? Why did NASA send a man to the moon? On their own all of those are a complete waste of time and money, but the research done for them is still applied in all walks of life.
Or as Hilary himself said 'Because it is there'.
Condi said:
dilbert2000 said:
I would agree that pushing the boundaries is great, but this project was all about pushing boundaries that don'e really need pushing further, and that most people (hardcore petrolheads aside) have move on from.
What boundaries do you think it is pushing? There has been development in areas like aerodynamics, materials science, rocket technology, fuel system technology, etc all of which will be relevant areas in 100, 200 years time for all sort of applications. The car itself is just a reason to bring them all together to achieve something awesome.
We are standing on the shoulders of giants, as the phrase goes, and what research in one area is never wasted, and may just mean someone else makes a breakthrough in something totally different.
And you could ask the same of anything.... why did Scott walk to the Pole? Why did Hilary climb Everest? Why did NASA send a man to the moon? On their own all of those are a complete waste of time and money, but the research done for them is still applied in all walks of life.
Or as Hilary himself said 'Because it is there'.
20 years ago, the Thrust SSC rocket tests and whole-car runs validated highly experimental CFD codes, something that simply hadn't been properly done in this type of problem before. This time around, Bloodhound will do the same - with 500 sensors over its body to compare against numerical results.
CFD is a "numerical method" - that means it is about the solving (by way of approximation, essentially) a vast array of smiultaneous equations over and over again until they converge on a solution. Whether or not we have any faith in that solution is down not only to the skill of the person who built the computer model and administered the CFD work, but also on whether the CFD code in question has ever been validated in this particular problem domain.
Thrust was a huge step for CFD. Bloodhound can be, too - not for the steady state stuff (which is much better understood and validated now than 20 years ago), but on the rate-dependant stuff (as the car accelerates, so the air will behave differently under such acceleration than it will at a steady speed) and on the impact of matter in the airstream (dust from the ground).
That's stuff (especially the latter) that just hasn't been done before. There will be real science coming out of this. Bloodhound is the sort of full-scale supersonic test piece that academic researchers (of which I used to be one) dream of being able to afford to run.
The output of that work will directly feed into a whole load of problems down the line, problems we may not even know we will face yet or problems so far deemed too hard to tackle.
For the science, it matters not that the motivations of some of those on the crew are egotistical or based on trying to beat a "pointless record." For Bloodhound to make a real difference to the world around it, its motives don't have to be pure.
skwdenyer said:
Condi said:
dilbert2000 said:
I would agree that pushing the boundaries is great, but this project was all about pushing boundaries that don'e really need pushing further, and that most people (hardcore petrolheads aside) have move on from.
What boundaries do you think it is pushing? There has been development in areas like aerodynamics, materials science, rocket technology, fuel system technology, etc all of which will be relevant areas in 100, 200 years time for all sort of applications. The car itself is just a reason to bring them all together to achieve something awesome.
We are standing on the shoulders of giants, as the phrase goes, and what research in one area is never wasted, and may just mean someone else makes a breakthrough in something totally different.
And you could ask the same of anything.... why did Scott walk to the Pole? Why did Hilary climb Everest? Why did NASA send a man to the moon? On their own all of those are a complete waste of time and money, but the research done for them is still applied in all walks of life.
Or as Hilary himself said 'Because it is there
CFD is a "numerical method"
Thrust was a huge step for CFD...
But seriously, in investment banking over the last decade we’ve seen more and more quants come through the system with strong backgrounds in CFD (from uni) etc.. It used to be anything physics-say or math-sy, but the CVs coming have become even more specialised, like in fields such as this.
The influence has reached into other industries.
tigerkoi said:
Funny that, CfD was always “contract for difference” for me
But seriously, in investment banking over the last decade we’ve seen more and more quants come through the system with strong backgrounds in CFD (from uni) etc.. It used to be anything physics-say or math-sy, but the CVs coming have become even more specialised, like in fields such as this.
The influence has reached into other industries.
I taught undergrad engineers for a while a lot of years ago in Oxford. My fervent hope was that at least one of them didn't graduate only to become a quant But seriously, in investment banking over the last decade we’ve seen more and more quants come through the system with strong backgrounds in CFD (from uni) etc.. It used to be anything physics-say or math-sy, but the CVs coming have become even more specialised, like in fields such as this.
The influence has reached into other industries.
skwdenyer said:
tigerkoi said:
Funny that, CfD was always “contract for difference” for me
But seriously, in investment banking over the last decade we’ve seen more and more quants come through the system with strong backgrounds in CFD (from uni) etc.. It used to be anything physics-say or math-sy, but the CVs coming have become even more specialised, like in fields such as this.
The influence has reached into other industries.
I taught undergrad engineers for a while a lot of years ago in Oxford. My fervent hope was that at least one of them didn't graduate only to become a quant But seriously, in investment banking over the last decade we’ve seen more and more quants come through the system with strong backgrounds in CFD (from uni) etc.. It used to be anything physics-say or math-sy, but the CVs coming have become even more specialised, like in fields such as this.
The influence has reached into other industries.
IN51GHT said:
skwdenyer said:
mcdjl said:
' we don't have enough engineers, they all do the course at uni then go off and get a (much better paid) job doing something else. We must train more engineers'.
Only in the UK. Have you seen the salaries for decent engineers in the USA?That said, I do recall a Swedish survey a year or so back that showed the USA paid engineering grads about 50% more than in the UK. In the automotive sphere, Germany leads the way IIRC. The UK scores poorly on both those - and other - measures.
skwdenyer said:
IN51GHT said:
skwdenyer said:
mcdjl said:
' we don't have enough engineers, they all do the course at uni then go off and get a (much better paid) job doing something else. We must train more engineers'.
Only in the UK. Have you seen the salaries for decent engineers in the USA?That said, I do recall a Swedish survey a year or so back that showed the USA paid engineering grads about 50% more than in the UK. In the automotive sphere, Germany leads the way IIRC. The UK scores poorly on both those - and other - measures.
Back on track and only intended for those in favour:
Please sign up to this petition for Gov funding for the Bloodhound Project!
IMechE have just launched a parliamentary petition for further Govt funding for Bloodhound So far only around 40 signatures in the first day – but we go out to 37,000 this weekend Can you please pass to all friends and contacts we need 200,000 to make a real impression .
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/234706?fb...
Please sign up to this petition for Gov funding for the Bloodhound Project!
IMechE have just launched a parliamentary petition for further Govt funding for Bloodhound So far only around 40 signatures in the first day – but we go out to 37,000 this weekend Can you please pass to all friends and contacts we need 200,000 to make a real impression .
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/234706?fb...
3.8 MOD said:
Back on track and only intended for those in favour:
Please sign up to this petition for Gov funding for the Bloodhound Project!
IMechE have just launched a parliamentary petition for further Govt funding for Bloodhound So far only around 40 signatures in the first day – but we go out to 37,000 this weekend Can you please pass to all friends and contacts we need 200,000 to make a real impression .
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/234706?fb...
I'm the 60th to sign. Copied to my fb too - there are a few friends on there who will probably signPlease sign up to this petition for Gov funding for the Bloodhound Project!
IMechE have just launched a parliamentary petition for further Govt funding for Bloodhound So far only around 40 signatures in the first day – but we go out to 37,000 this weekend Can you please pass to all friends and contacts we need 200,000 to make a real impression .
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/234706?fb...
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