RE: New Corvette revealed at last!
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kambites said:
What else is the SLK if it's not a sports car? I made no claims that the SLK was a direct competitor for the Corvette. 
LuS1fer said:
kambites said:
What else is the SLK if it's not a sports car? I made no claims that the SLK was a direct competitor for the Corvette. kambites said:
the category "sports car" has absolutely nothing to do with power or straight line speed.
...in your opinion. I suppose that, strictly, a sports car can range from an MG TF to an Austin Healey Frogeye to a Caterham or Arial - a no-frills driving car but there is no point in arguing this any more than there is point in arguing what a coupe now is.
kambites said:
What else is the SLK if it's not a sports car? I made no claims that the SLK was a direct competitor for the Corvette. Mustang and Camaro are Pony cars. Typically a 2-door saloon (or fastback or cabrio) with a big engine.
5 USA said:
SLK is a sportscar. 2-doors, 2-seats. The fact they are all convertibles puts it beyond doubt.
Mustang and Camaro are Pony cars. Typically a 2-door saloon (or fastback or cabrio) with a big engine.
Your second point is not in issue but given the tinyness of the rear "seats" in a 206CC, that might also qualify as a sports car. Indeed, the Vauxhall Tigra only had 2 seats and is certainly no sports car. The old Merc SL was also no sports car IMHO. Many would even argue the Vette is a sports car, more a GT. It's simply too arbitrary (and boring Mustang and Camaro are Pony cars. Typically a 2-door saloon (or fastback or cabrio) with a big engine.
)to argue about.
Be interesting to hear real world mpg once their are a few owners kicking about. In the past they have always been pretty good tbh. My ZR1 used to return good numbers on a run to Thetford to see family - often better than my 2.0l Mazda, slightly helped by its very tall 6th gear. These days its modded to hell and averages high teens. The Z06 is still unbelievably good on a run
The new LT1 is direct injection and will also feature cylinder shut down so on a motorway cruise it should be a V4 of half the capacity. Will certainly be interesting to see the real figures when out.
As for Le Mans I think it may well be so. They've certainly had a number of class wins over the last few years both in C5R and C6R form, even privateer teams have had pretty good results.
Regardless of winning or not they have certainly spiced up the GT cat over the last decade or so. First we had the epic battles between pro drive Ferraris and Pratt and Miller Vettes and then of course the pro drive Astons.
As for reliability, of course they are. I believe even today vette engines have to pass the GM truck engine test. I have a very good book on the development the the ZR1's LT5 engine at Lotus. They s
t themselves when GM said it would still have to pass their truck test. It did though
All these threads always descend into MPG claims of how German cas get this and that. Well after reading the mpg thread on here they obviously don't not according to the owners that posted on that thread anyway.TBH do you really think MPG is on the mind of someone who buys this kind of car anyway??? Certainly not on mine.
The new LT1 is direct injection and will also feature cylinder shut down so on a motorway cruise it should be a V4 of half the capacity. Will certainly be interesting to see the real figures when out.
As for Le Mans I think it may well be so. They've certainly had a number of class wins over the last few years both in C5R and C6R form, even privateer teams have had pretty good results.
Regardless of winning or not they have certainly spiced up the GT cat over the last decade or so. First we had the epic battles between pro drive Ferraris and Pratt and Miller Vettes and then of course the pro drive Astons.
As for reliability, of course they are. I believe even today vette engines have to pass the GM truck engine test. I have a very good book on the development the the ZR1's LT5 engine at Lotus. They s
t themselves when GM said it would still have to pass their truck test. It did though All these threads always descend into MPG claims of how German cas get this and that. Well after reading the mpg thread on here they obviously don't not according to the owners that posted on that thread anyway.TBH do you really think MPG is on the mind of someone who buys this kind of car anyway??? Certainly not on mine.
Edited by Gixer on Wednesday 23 January 16:32
Ok here's real world data. Fuel Consumption for my C6 Z06 (over 3667 miles) and C5 Z06 (over 6431 miles), which I've been tracking for both brim to brim. No cheating - this is all the data I have collected for the cars. I still have the C5 but not the C6 which is why the data is just in 2010.
The C6 is US mpg so add 20% to get UK number - 27.3 mpg.
Note also cost per mile - in the US just 13 cents versus 28p in the UK. You must love those taxes!
Road Trip is a brilliant App by the way....
The C6 is US mpg so add 20% to get UK number - 27.3 mpg.
Note also cost per mile - in the US just 13 cents versus 28p in the UK. You must love those taxes!
Road Trip is a brilliant App by the way....
mackie1 said:
I didn't say I believed it would return those figures in real use, but you've got to admit that even in the context of the official test that those figures are bloody good for a big NA V8. I think I averaged 15mpg in my Monaro.
Two points.1. Those figures for the SLK are out of context, you are comparing EPA US gallons to Imperial and EURO test standards. Totally not comparable.
2. If you are only getting 15mpg avg from a Monaro, then it's either broken, hugely modded. Or if working correctly, then under the same use this SLK you cite would likely do no better. The "city" EPA rating for the SLK is 16mpg. Now if you drive it hard and in a city, then you won't be getting 16mpg from it.
300bhp/ton said:
Two points.
1. Those figures for the SLK are out of context, you are comparing EPA US gallons to Imperial and EURO test standards. Totally not comparable.
2. If you are only getting 15mpg avg from a Monaro, then it's either broken, hugely modded. Or if working correctly, then under the same use this SLK you cite would likely do no better. The "city" EPA rating for the SLK is 16mpg. Now if you drive it hard and in a city, then you won't be getting 16mpg from it.
I'm not comparing them to anything, just saying it's an impressive standalone figure. US EPA combined figure for the SLK is 22mpg, C6 auto is 18mpg, the manual 19mpg. I'd expect the C7 to better that so maybe it'll match or better the SLK. I'm not Merc fanboy, I was just pointing out that there are other NA V8s there than can better the Corvette for economy. 1. Those figures for the SLK are out of context, you are comparing EPA US gallons to Imperial and EURO test standards. Totally not comparable.
2. If you are only getting 15mpg avg from a Monaro, then it's either broken, hugely modded. Or if working correctly, then under the same use this SLK you cite would likely do no better. The "city" EPA rating for the SLK is 16mpg. Now if you drive it hard and in a city, then you won't be getting 16mpg from it.
The Monaro was not broken, the official figure was 19mpg I think and I did a lot of town driving. It would see high 20s on a long motorway run. For comparison the Octavia vRS I had afterwards was supposed to average 37mpg and I got 31mpg, current Z4 3.0si official is 31 and I get 27.
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