JLR on 3 day week
Discussion
Mr Tidy said:
No ideas for a name said:
They sold me one in the UK...
As it happens today is the first day back after 9 days in the dealership. Not all issues fixed.
Sounds like the 70s all over again! As it happens today is the first day back after 9 days in the dealership. Not all issues fixed.
I've always fancied a Jaguar, but there has never been one that quite fitted the bill at the right time.
TooMany2cvs said:
Don't confuse "what they sell in the UK" with "what they make".
In other countries, you can have your non-SVR F-Pace or XF with a 380bhp 3.0 v6 supercharged, while the XJ gets 340bhp 3.0 v6 supercharged.
Why don't they list that engine here? Perhaps because they don't think it'll sell. It's not because it's not EU certified - because they're listed in Sweden.
If they thought they'd shift them, they'd list them.
Those models are still below par though.In other countries, you can have your non-SVR F-Pace or XF with a 380bhp 3.0 v6 supercharged, while the XJ gets 340bhp 3.0 v6 supercharged.
Why don't they list that engine here? Perhaps because they don't think it'll sell. It's not because it's not EU certified - because they're listed in Sweden.
If they thought they'd shift them, they'd list them.
No ideas for a name said:
TooMany2cvs said:
In other countries, you can have your non-SVR F-Pace or XF with a 380bhp 3.0 v6 supercharged, while the XJ gets 340bhp 3.0 v6 supercharged.
Why don't they list that engine here? Perhaps because they don't think it'll sell. It's not because it's not EU certified - because they're listed in Sweden.
If they thought they'd shift them, they'd list them.
They sold me one in the UK... Why don't they list that engine here? Perhaps because they don't think it'll sell. It's not because it's not EU certified - because they're listed in Sweden.
If they thought they'd shift them, they'd list them.
As it happens today is the first day back after 9 days in the dealership. Not all issues fixed.
Ares said:
Those models are still below par though.
Too much navel gazing going on here to counter them all but seriously? You are suggesting the 380 V6 from Jag is 'below par". Putting to one side the 2016 World Car of the year award (can't blame British journalist bias for that but sure some will), or the fact that whilst Jaguar scores below average on most reliability ratings its certainly ahead of comparable marques, there are many (international) reviews that rate the Fpace very highly. First youtube comparison between it and the Macan has it as the winner for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p_IaGUJqQ
JLR have a lot of problems but all car companies do, its a peculiarly British failing to use factually incorrect opinions (that fly in the face of verifiable data) to attack a perceived 'national champion' (even if most owners like me don't give a s
t who owns it). A very good example of this is how JLR 'woes' are extrapolated into 'Jaguar' despite Jaguar growing global sales by 4.4% in September and LR dropping 18%. /end rant
btom, owner of a 380 V6 Fpace which has performed flawlessly over 35,000 miles in 2 years.
Continuing my one man crusade pour l'honneur de Jaguar.
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/2018-ger...
What do the Germans know about cars? Must be misinformed by the biased British press.
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/2018-ger...
What do the Germans know about cars? Must be misinformed by the biased British press.
btom said:
troika said:
I think they are a busted flush. Overpriced, wrong engines and dreadful build, reliability and dealers. People are finally seeing this over the fixation with the badge.
See what I mean?4.4% increase in Jaguar global sales = 'busted flush'.
I want JLR to succeed but worry that they are expanding too fast at the expense of product quality.
btom said:
Too much navel gazing going on here to counter them all but seriously? You are suggesting the 380 V6 from Jag is 'below par".
Putting to one side the 2016 World Car of the year award (can't blame British journalist bias for that but sure some will), or the fact that whilst Jaguar scores below average on most reliability ratings its certainly ahead of comparable marques, there are many (international) reviews that rate the Fpace very highly. First youtube comparison between it and the Macan has it as the winner for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p_IaGUJqQ
JLR have a lot of problems but all car companies do, its a peculiarly British failing to use factually incorrect opinions (that fly in the face of verifiable data) to attack a perceived 'national champion' (even if most owners like me don't give a st who owns it). A very good example of this is how JLR 'woes' are extrapolated into 'Jaguar' despite Jaguar growing global sales by 4.4% in September and LR dropping 18%.
/end rant
btom, owner of a 380 V6 Fpace which has performed flawlessly over 35,000 miles in 2 years.
I think the 380 V6 version of the XF is a briliant package. I wouldn't swap it for anything else.Putting to one side the 2016 World Car of the year award (can't blame British journalist bias for that but sure some will), or the fact that whilst Jaguar scores below average on most reliability ratings its certainly ahead of comparable marques, there are many (international) reviews that rate the Fpace very highly. First youtube comparison between it and the Macan has it as the winner for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p_IaGUJqQ
JLR have a lot of problems but all car companies do, its a peculiarly British failing to use factually incorrect opinions (that fly in the face of verifiable data) to attack a perceived 'national champion' (even if most owners like me don't give a s
t who owns it). A very good example of this is how JLR 'woes' are extrapolated into 'Jaguar' despite Jaguar growing global sales by 4.4% in September and LR dropping 18%. /end rant
btom, owner of a 380 V6 Fpace which has performed flawlessly over 35,000 miles in 2 years.
However I would swap it for one that works.
I don't want to do JLR down, and I have had several. There does seem to be confusion between some posters that like or don't like certain manufacturers, but that doesn't make the offerings poor. Personally, I don't 'like' BMW or Merc... that doesn't mean they are sub-standard though.
All the issues on mine have never stopped me finishing a journey, it has never broken down (In fact none of the Jags in the last 18 years have ever 'broken down' as such).
However, all the 'extras' or toys seem to cause issues. It doesn't stop me from using the car, but I do feel like I am on the development programme. I paid full market rate not a cheap price to try a few things out - even the non show-stopping stuff should work.
How many of you would buy a JLR parachute?
Anyway - next call JLR CRC to progress my issues.
No ideas for a name said:
I think the 380 V6 version of the XF is a briliant package. I wouldn't swap it for anything else.
However I would swap it for one that works.
I don't want to do JLR down, and I have had several. There does seem to be confusion between some posters that like or don't like certain manufacturers, but that doesn't make the offerings poor. Personally, I don't 'like' BMW or Merc... that doesn't mean they are sub-standard though.
All the issues on mine have never stopped me finishing a journey, it has never broken down (In fact none of the Jags in the last 18 years have ever 'broken down' as such).
However, all the 'extras' or toys seem to cause issues. It doesn't stop me from using the car, but I do feel like I am on the development programme. I paid full market rate not a cheap price to try a few things out - even the non show-stopping stuff should work.
How many of you would buy a JLR parachute?
Anyway - next call JLR CRC to progress my issues.
My comments are not to take away from anyone with real world experience, its just that in my experience there is an inordinate amount of sHowever I would swap it for one that works.
I don't want to do JLR down, and I have had several. There does seem to be confusion between some posters that like or don't like certain manufacturers, but that doesn't make the offerings poor. Personally, I don't 'like' BMW or Merc... that doesn't mean they are sub-standard though.
All the issues on mine have never stopped me finishing a journey, it has never broken down (In fact none of the Jags in the last 18 years have ever 'broken down' as such).
However, all the 'extras' or toys seem to cause issues. It doesn't stop me from using the car, but I do feel like I am on the development programme. I paid full market rate not a cheap price to try a few things out - even the non show-stopping stuff should work.
How many of you would buy a JLR parachute?
Anyway - next call JLR CRC to progress my issues.
t thrown at Jaguar when other marques get a free pass - especially when statistically it can be demonstrated that there are 'worse' makers out there for any of the oft quoted metrics of reliability, after sales support etc.An example of this is that just after I bought this car, an acquaintance bought a Macan GTS so cue a lot of 'Indian car' jibes from mutual contacts.
2 years later he is on his 3rd Macan having rejected the first as a lemon (having spent 6 of the first 7 months at the dealer) and sold the second back to the dealer as the IT issues were minor but regular and yet when we meet I still get it in the ear for, '(intact of breath) Jaguars breakdown a lot don't they'.
Anyway, starting to sound like a Jaguar apologist so will hand in the quill. Hope you get your issues sorted, its inexcusable to have to fight to get a functioning car.
I'm not so keen, amongst other reasons, that Tata owners can't seem to distance themselves from corruption allegations. It's a matter of trust. Same reason I won't touch Samsung or any Korean car.
I personally think jaguar engines are not up to snuff. How long are they going to flog the 5.0 V8. Again, too expensive for the utility. Old man image. All just my perception
I personally think jaguar engines are not up to snuff. How long are they going to flog the 5.0 V8. Again, too expensive for the utility. Old man image. All just my perception
btom said:
My comments are not to take away from anyone with real world experience, its just that in my experience there is an inordinate amount of st thrown at Jaguar when other marques get a free pass - especially when statistically it can be demonstrated that there are 'worse' makers out there for any of the oft quoted metrics of reliability, after sales support etc.
Alfa Romeo owners have had this for several decades. You get used to it t thrown at Jaguar when other marques get a free pass - especially when statistically it can be demonstrated that there are 'worse' makers out there for any of the oft quoted metrics of reliability, after sales support etc.
I honestly think this is short term issue for JLR. As soon as they start seeing the fruits of their current investment in the MLA platform with new electrified power plants, the business will thrive again.
RobDown said:
btom said:
Interesting but (if you read their quarterly and monthly reports) Jaguar increased sales in September by 4.4% worldwide (+20% in the UK) despite the Chinese issue/WLPT/Brexit/insert other.
Apologies for bringing this up in reply to your post, it is aimed at a number of posters not just you, but I am genuinely interested why every discussion of JLR turns into a dissection of the 'J' part whilst the 'LR' gets a free pass.
https://media.jaguarlandrover.com/en/news?start=0&brand=corporateApologies for bringing this up in reply to your post, it is aimed at a number of posters not just you, but I am genuinely interested why every discussion of JLR turns into a dissection of the 'J' part whilst the 'LR' gets a free pass.
JLR sales down 12% in September, based on China.
But hey, lets just focus on JLR 'cos we like to give them a good kicking
btom said:
Ares said:
Those models are still below par though.
Too much navel gazing going on here to counter them all but seriously? You are suggesting the 380 V6 from Jag is 'below par". Putting to one side the 2016 World Car of the year award (can't blame British journalist bias for that but sure some will), or the fact that whilst Jaguar scores below average on most reliability ratings its certainly ahead of comparable marques, there are many (international) reviews that rate the Fpace very highly. First youtube comparison between it and the Macan has it as the winner for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p_IaGUJqQ
JLR have a lot of problems but all car companies do, its a peculiarly British failing to use factually incorrect opinions (that fly in the face of verifiable data) to attack a perceived 'national champion' (even if most owners like me don't give a s
t who owns it). A very good example of this is how JLR 'woes' are extrapolated into 'Jaguar' despite Jaguar growing global sales by 4.4% in September and LR dropping 18%. /end rant
btom, owner of a 380 V6 Fpace which has performed flawlessly over 35,000 miles in 2 years.
The others are below par. 340/380bhp is bringing a knife to a gunfight. The XF and XJ's competitors are touting 150-250bhp more.
Jaguar have been lost for 10 years. I've looked at a jag every time I've changed chars since 2007....they've never really even come close to competing. Shame.
btom said:
troika said:
I think they are a busted flush. Overpriced, wrong engines and dreadful build, reliability and dealers. People are finally seeing this over the fixation with the badge.
See what I mean?4.4% increase in Jaguar global sales = 'busted flush'.
JLR have cited China, Brexit, Diesel and Jaguar sales as the core issues.
No ideas for a name said:
btom said:
Too much navel gazing going on here to counter them all but seriously? You are suggesting the 380 V6 from Jag is 'below par".
Putting to one side the 2016 World Car of the year award (can't blame British journalist bias for that but sure some will), or the fact that whilst Jaguar scores below average on most reliability ratings its certainly ahead of comparable marques, there are many (international) reviews that rate the Fpace very highly. First youtube comparison between it and the Macan has it as the winner for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p_IaGUJqQ
JLR have a lot of problems but all car companies do, its a peculiarly British failing to use factually incorrect opinions (that fly in the face of verifiable data) to attack a perceived 'national champion' (even if most owners like me don't give a st who owns it). A very good example of this is how JLR 'woes' are extrapolated into 'Jaguar' despite Jaguar growing global sales by 4.4% in September and LR dropping 18%.
/end rant
btom, owner of a 380 V6 Fpace which has performed flawlessly over 35,000 miles in 2 years.
I think the 380 V6 version of the XF is a briliant package. I wouldn't swap it for anything else.Putting to one side the 2016 World Car of the year award (can't blame British journalist bias for that but sure some will), or the fact that whilst Jaguar scores below average on most reliability ratings its certainly ahead of comparable marques, there are many (international) reviews that rate the Fpace very highly. First youtube comparison between it and the Macan has it as the winner for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p_IaGUJqQ
JLR have a lot of problems but all car companies do, its a peculiarly British failing to use factually incorrect opinions (that fly in the face of verifiable data) to attack a perceived 'national champion' (even if most owners like me don't give a s
t who owns it). A very good example of this is how JLR 'woes' are extrapolated into 'Jaguar' despite Jaguar growing global sales by 4.4% in September and LR dropping 18%. /end rant
btom, owner of a 380 V6 Fpace which has performed flawlessly over 35,000 miles in 2 years.
However I would swap it for one that works.
I don't want to do JLR down, and I have had several. There does seem to be confusion between some posters that like or don't like certain manufacturers, but that doesn't make the offerings poor. Personally, I don't 'like' BMW or Merc... that doesn't mean they are sub-standard though.
All the issues on mine have never stopped me finishing a journey, it has never broken down (In fact none of the Jags in the last 18 years have ever 'broken down' as such).
However, all the 'extras' or toys seem to cause issues. It doesn't stop me from using the car, but I do feel like I am on the development programme. I paid full market rate not a cheap price to try a few things out - even the non show-stopping stuff should work.
How many of you would buy a JLR parachute?
Anyway - next call JLR CRC to progress my issues.
I've always wanted to love and get a Jag, I actually came close in 2001 with an S-Type V8, but since then there has been nothing that has made it past the first dealer visit.
Burwood said:
....If you want a decent engine in the Velar it's 70k....
When the Velar first came out the petrol V6 was only available in the top trim model costing £70k. A few months back that engine was withdrawn from the UK market. The top engine now is the V6 diesel in two power outputs and both are available in the base model from £50k upwards. Whether you count a diesel V6 as a decent engine is another question.southerndriver said:
Burwood said:
....If you want a decent engine in the Velar it's 70k....
When the Velar first came out the petrol V6 was only available in the top trim model costing £70k. A few months back that engine was withdrawn from the UK market. The top engine now is the V6 diesel in two power outputs and both are available in the base model from £50k upwards. Whether you count a diesel V6 as a decent engine is another question.
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