mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?

[DodgyGeezer]

NMNeil said:

Adding fuel to the fire to have speed limiters introduced in the US.
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...

poor choice of words given the second article....

[bigothunter]

Government petition: Do not require ISA speed limiters on new UK cars

Just 377 signatures including mine


https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/598939

[Ozone]

379 now

[anonymous-user]

380! I doubt it'll change anything but worth a try

[NMNeil]

DodgyGeezer said:

poor choice of words given the second article....

In hindsight I agree.

[NMNeil]

CanAm said:

NMNeil said:

Adding fuel to the fire to have speed limiters introduced in the US.
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...

First link not available in Europe.

Try this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9NaxOVyuHs

[bigothunter]

NMNeil said:

Adding fuel to the fire to have speed limiters introduced in the US.
https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/repeat-speeder-arr...
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32543330/henry...

Which gives the impression you advocate speed limiters but still 'contribute' to this enthusiasts' forum. Is that compatible?

Speed limiters arose in conversion with some American colleagues. They were aghast that such draconian measures were even being considered in Europe. Like gun prohibition, I suspect speed limiters would not sit comfortably with America's cultural demand for freedom.

Edited by bigothunter on Friday 5th November 10:16

[NMNeil]

bigothunter said:

Which gives the impression you advocate speed limiters but still 'contribute' to this enthusiasts' forum. Is that compatible?

Speed limiters arose in conversion with some American colleagues. They were aghast that such draconian measures were even being considered in Europe. Like gun prohibition, I suspect speed limiters would not sit comfortably with America's cultural demand for freedom.

Edited by bigothunter on Friday 5th November 10:16

There's more to being an enthusiast than driving at ridiculously high speeds on the public highway. Same as removing emissions control equipment so you can poison the air.
Not all enthusiasts want to put the lives of others at risk; just a few.
And speed limiters are just around the corner here in the US, starting with trucks. And when they show how many lives th speed limiters save it'll be introduced for cars.
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/house-lawmakers-in...

[bigothunter]

NMNeil said:

There's more to being an enthusiast than driving at ridiculously high speeds on the public highway. Same as removing emissions control equipment so you can poison the air.
Not all enthusiasts want to put the lives of others at risk; just a few.
And speed limiters are just around the corner here in the US, starting with trucks. And when they show how many lives th speed limiters save it'll be introduced for cars.
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/house-lawmakers-in...

70mph limiter for trucks weighing up to 74 tonnes seems generous to me. Note this limiter applies to a huge truck not a Porsche 911 GT3 as in Britain.

So where would the US limit cars? 90mph? 100mph perhaps? More?

[NMNeil]

bigothunter said:

70mph limiter for trucks weighing up to 74 tonnes seems generous to me. Note this limiter applies to a huge truck not a Porsche 911 GT3 as in Britain.

So where would the US limit cars? 90mph? 100mph perhaps? More?

90 would be about right as the maximum speed allowed on the public road is 85.

[anonymous-user]

Those USA trucks fly along in the 85MPH limit sections, quite a sight when you are used to seeing them pegged at 56MPH.

[Agarange]

I was driving a Renault captur hire car in France and used the limiter to avoid the camera plod flashing me. The stupid thing for quite some time thought the 50kph zone did not change (at night) so j had to switch the limiter off. It took over an hour for it to start recognising the signs again.

Modern cars have gone the wrong way. They deskill the driver. People ant even get to 50 mph on an a road now with a 50 mph limit. 35 to 40 mph tonight.

Perhaps a petition to mandate all new cars have no driver aids.

Also perhaps we should ha e to redo our driving test. Limiting speed does not make people more observant or j would not get close passed and cut up on my bicycle as much as I do.

[anonymous-user]

Agarange said:

Also perhaps we should ha e to redo our driving test.

Have you not seen the state of driving test backlogs at the moment?

[bigothunter]

Agarange said:

Modern cars have gone the wrong way. They deskill the driver. People ant even get to 50 mph on an a road now with a 50 mph limit. 35 to 40 mph tonight.

Perhaps a petition to mandate all new cars have no driver aids.

Nah - it's fully autonomous control next. Those ducks are aligning fast

[Blakewater]

How long before people crash and blame the car because it saw a 58mph sign on the back of a Waitrose van in a 20mph zone? The more is automated on a car, the more people just leave the car to do its own thing. People will stop even judging how much they press the pedal, just floor it and let the car work it out. Then when it picks up the wrong sign or builds up speed downhill, there will be more accidental speeding by inattentive people than there is now.

It's long been said that the best safety feature on a car wouldn't be airbags or seatbelts or driver aids, but a big spike in the centre of the steering wheel to focus the driver's mind. The biggest danger on the road is inattention and that leads to the failure to look properly and many of the other specific catagories in police reports, including many instances of people driving too fast for the circumstances. So I don't believe one more thing that takes over an important element of driver control will save lives.

[bigothunter]

Blakewater said:

How long before people crash and blame the car because it saw a 58mph sign on the back of a Waitrose van in a 20mph zone? The more is automated on a car, the more people just leave the car to do its own thing. People will stop even judging how much they press the pedal, just floor it and let the car work it out. Then when it picks up the wrong sign or builds up speed downhill, there will be more accidental speeding by inattentive people than there is now.

It's long been said that the best safety feature on a car wouldn't be airbags or seatbelts or driver aids, but a big spike in the centre of the steering wheel to focus the driver's mind. The biggest danger on the road is inattention and that leads to the failure to look properly and many of the other specific catagories in police reports, including many instances of people driving too fast for the circumstances. So I don't believe one more thing that takes over an important element of driver control will save lives.

There is a much broader agenda behind speed limiters than just saving lives

[Welshbeef]

bigothunter said:

There is a much broader agenda behind speed limiters than just saving lives

This is why we will keep our thunderous petrol or diesel cars.

[snowandrocks]

The idea that speed limiters improve safety makes me think back to driving the minibuses at uni to go out to the Scottish Hills.

They were 15 seater transits and limited to 62mph. Quite sensible you would think but in reality it just meant you went everywhere with your foot flat on the floor. It's surprising how many corners on Scottish A roads can be taken at that speed even in a minibus but there were endless hairy moments!

Overtaking lorries with only a 6mph possible speed differential wasn't very enjoyable either!

[Welshbeef]

snowandrocks said:

The idea that speed limiters improve safety makes me think back to driving the minibuses at uni to go out to the Scottish Hills.

They were 15 seater transits and limited to 62mph. Quite sensible you would think but in reality it just meant you went everywhere with your foot flat on the floor. It's surprising how many corners on Scottish A roads can be taken at that speed even in a minibus but there were endless hairy moments!

Overtaking lorries with only a 6mph possible speed differential wasn't very enjoyable either!

You wouldn’t overtake the time saving you’d gain is trivial.
Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.

[snowandrocks]

Welshbeef said:

You wouldn’t overtake the time saving you’d gain is trivial.
Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.

You were obviously never nineteen!

Why shouldn't a minibus overtake a lorry? I see full size coaches overtaking things without issue on a fairly regular basis. I guess in the North of Scotland people don't see overtaking as something only lunatics do.