Cyclist vs Car (again)

[Mave]

Diderot said:

Mave said:

Diderot said:

Mave said:

Diderot said:

Don't worry Driver 101 - he was arguing earlier in the thread that the Van should have braked much harder to let the helmet-cam-cyclo-cop pass on the inside and around the lorry.

IMHO the overtaker shouldn't cause the overtakee to need to take evasive action. Don't you agree?

But according to you and Heebe he didn't since apparently he was justified in flying up the inside and of course the lorry wasn't blocking the way either.

Where did I say that? That's right, I didn't.

Now, do you agree with my statement that "the overtaker shouldn't cause the overtakee to need to take evasive action" or not?

Cyclo-cop didn't take evasive action - he simply rode up the inside of the van, headlong towards the lorry which was blocking his path.

And again, where did I say he took evasive action? That's right, I didn't.

So instead of disagreeing with things I haven't said, why don't you ask the question I asked?

"do you agree with my statement that "the overtaker shouldn't cause the overtakee to need to take evasive action" or not?"

Edited by Mave on Friday 23 January 08:34

Edited by Mave on Friday 23 January 08:35

[heebeegeetee]

Diderot said:

Cyclo-cop didn't take evasive action - he simply rode up the inside of the van, headlong towards the lorry which was blocking his path.

Have a look at his road positioning at the junction at .37", and then see where he is at .56" and .57" when this lorry is supposedly "blocking his path". He's actually further to the left when the lorry is supposedly blocking his path than he was when it wasn't.

So I think you're talking complete bks.

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It's also worth noting out the congestion the van driver is causing at 1.12.

The only thing worth talking about on this thread is the actions of the van driver and what we do about getting psychopaths like him out of vehicles for good. I can't see how a life time ban for people like him can do anything but good for everybody, or at least a lifetime ban until he can afford and pay for psychiatric reports which show that he's had therapy and treatment which means he's of the correct attitude to hold a driving licence.

Driving standards and what we do about them is what we should have been talking about, not 18 pages of bks about cyclists.

[jbsportstech]

GEARJAMMER said:

I was going to read all the replies on this thread, but I got to 10 pages and stopped here as I think you've pretty much nailed it.

I personally don't see any issue with the bin/sweeper lorry.
As for the cyclist, he gobbed off at someone and the person he gobbed off at gave him a punch, he deserved what he got.
The van driver shouldn't have done what he done, he deserves what ever he gets.

Both of them idiots in my opinion, neither of them I have much time for and both deserved what they got/get.

I agree with that.


I don't always refrain from reacting but very occasional I do, but I face the consequences like a man don't lock myself in the car and call the police after as you so eloquently put it (pour petrol on a fire and start it)

The other issue that gets me is the are two road users those who are part of the problem and those who part of the solution.

In alot of cases not barrelling into a situation just because you perceive that you have right of way etc means and accident or road rage incident can be avoided. Merge in turn lanes a classic scenario were someone needs merge and other drivers do their best to stop them and descend into a road rage scenario,

[walm]

jbsportstech said:

GEARJAMMER said:

As for the cyclist, he gobbed off at someone and the person he gobbed off at gave him a punch, he deserved what he got.

I agree with that.


I don't always refrain from reacting but very occasional I do, but I face the consequences like a man.

Just quoted to remind myself what a bunch of fking neanderthals are out there sharing the roads with us.

[Mave]

jbsportstech said:

In alot of cases not barrelling into a situation just because you perceive that you have right of way etc means and accident or road rage incident can be avoided.

Agreed. If Mr van man had concentrated on his overtake as much as his phone call, the incident wouldn't have happened.

[saaby93]

Mave said:

Agreed. If Mr van man had concentrated on his overtake as much as his phone call, the incident wouldn't have happened.

We dont know he was using the phone at the time
but looking at it dont you think he'd have passed the bike in the same way either way?

[jbsportstech]

walm said:

Just quoted to remind myself what a bunch of fking neanderthals are out there sharing the roads with us.

Don't shout and make offensive gestures at other road users unless you want them to take offence and react.

Its not difficult both at fault keep away from each other and keep your comments to yourself.

[Driver101]

jbsportstech said:

walm said:

Just quoted to remind myself what a bunch of fking neanderthals are out there sharing the roads with us.

Don't shout and make offensive gestures at other road users unless you want them to take offence and react.

Its not difficult both at fault keep away from each other and keep your comments to yourself.

I find it ironic that the two people that can't quite grasp why the van driver (has wrongly) reacted with aggression, are the two people reacting with aggression and resorting to name calling in this thread.

That tells another story.

Edited by Driver101 on Friday 23 January 10:43

[walm]

Driver101 said:

I find it ironic that the two people that can't quite grasp why the van driver (has wrongly) reacted with aggression, and two people reacting with aggression this thread.

That tells another story.

It is blindingly obvious why the van driver reacted like that.
He is a fking neaderthal.

The rather simple point is that in a civilised society the correct reaction to someone shouting at you is to control yourself and not punch them in the face (no matter how much you may want to).
The law reflects this.

People defending the van driver, blaming the victim and "taking it like a man" are also fking neanderthals.

No doubt me calling them fking neanderthals to their face IRL would involve them punching me in mine; thus rather painfully proving my point.

Aggression (safely) behind a keyboard or with your voice DOES NOT JUSTIFY VIOLENCE.

[Mave]

saaby93 said:

e dont know he was using the phone at the time
but looking at it dont you think he'd have passed the bike in the same way either way?

I think if he was making sure his overtake was safe, it would have been quite different
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that his overtake was a bit rubbish because he was distracted.
I accept that it may simply be that he's a bit rubbish at overtaking.

[v12Legs]

GEARJAMMER said:

I personally don't see any issue with the bin/sweeper lorry.
As for the cyclist, he gobbed off at someone and the person he gobbed off at gave him a punch, he deserved what he got.
The van driver shouldn't have done what he done, he deserves what ever he gets.

Both of them idiots in my opinion, neither of them I have much time for and both deserved what they got/get.

The cyclist deserved to be knocked off their bike and then assaulted for telling someone not to drive whilst on the phone?

fk's sake, there are some ignorant s round here.

[jbsportstech]

Driver101 said:

I find it ironic that the two people that can't quite grasp why the van driver (has wrongly) reacted with aggression, are the two people reacting with aggression and resorting to name calling in this thread.

That tells another story.

Edited by Driver101 on Friday 23 January 10:43

I understand why he reacted that way, someone shouted through his van window and told him not to do something he was doing. If your the a low iq builder type (not all but some are) then aggression is usually their only form of expressing themselves.

Only two days ago I informed a fencing contractor not drive his private car into the middle of my building site and park. His immediate reaction was to go over and shout at why not. He must put his tools in the company vans and use those. private cars remain in contractors carpark.

Edited by jbsportstech on Friday 23 January 11:23

[Driver101]

jbsportstech said:

I understand why he reacted that way, someone shouted through his van window and told him not to do something he was doing. If your the a low iq builder type (not all but some are) then aggression is usually their only form of expressing themselves.

Only two days ago I informed a fencing contractor not drive his private car into the middle of my building site and park. His immediate reaction was to go over and shout at why not. He must put his tools in the company vans and use those. private cars remain in contractors carpark.

Edited by jbsportstech on Friday 23 January 11:23

I've seen people get out of high end cars wearing suits ready to have a boxing match as one honked the horn at the other.

An idiot is an idiot no matter what profession they are in, and you get them everywhere.

People react badly all too often and the roads are the place it happens most, unless you count the drink related issues.

The best thing to do is not give someone the opportunity to react badly to you. If you shout and swear at them, there is a strong chance you are going to get a poor reaction. That might be shouting and swearing back, but let's not pretend that road rage doesn't lead to far more on a regular basis.

It isn't right by any means, but it happens all too often.

The better person just gets on with their driving and lets the idiot go on theirs. Start trying to give them a taste of their own, or try and get one up on them leads to incidents.

[Mave]

anonymous said:

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IMHO item 1 (which he shouldn't have done) occurred AFTER the rubbish overtake of the van.
What I find depressing on a forum of driving enthusiasts is the number of people who think there was nothing wrong with the overtake in the first place.
I suspect the reason for the cyclist having a mardy wasn't this specific instance so much as frustration with the regularity that people overtake bikes on autopilot.

[Europa1]

anonymous said:

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Well said.

[RemyMartin]

v12Legs said:

GEARJAMMER said:

I personally don't see any issue with the bin/sweeper lorry.
As for the cyclist, he gobbed off at someone and the person he gobbed off at gave him a punch, he deserved what he got.
The van driver shouldn't have done what he done, he deserves what ever he gets.

Both of them idiots in my opinion, neither of them I have much time for and both deserved what they got/get.

The cyclist deserved to be knocked off their bike and then assaulted for telling someone not to drive whilst on the phone?

fk's sake, there are some ignorant s round here.

Indeed. Although very easy to spot, usually have a Forum name in full capitals...

[Osinjak]

saaby93 said:

Osinjak said:

Jesus, is this still going?

It's him
It's the guy that started all this ( or was it the bin, van or cycle)
Burn him


Maybe not