Do you need anything more than a 320d?
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iSore said:
Is the garage in a 7 bedroom* Barratt house actually big enough?
Yep; only 5 here. And a garage so stuffed with God knows what that a car won't fit in it.- more bedrooms that you have.
Direct sea views and a two minute stroll to the beach help soften the blow. I don't think Barratt bothers with this county.
Ares said:
Fastdruid said:
Ares said:
Fastdruid said:
Ares said:
Fastdruid said:
The only reason for a diesel is because you do lots of miles[1]......
No it's not. Try again without blinkers on If you 'like' diesels because of the torque you're really saying you like turbocharged engines. In which case turbocharged petrols are nicer (but of course worse on fuel which doesn't matter unless you're doing enough miles to make it worth it).
If you 'like' diesels because of the range it's because you're doing enough miles in one hit to make it worth it.
If you 'like' diesels because of the cost it's because you're doing enough miles to make it worth it (for low mileages the equivalent petrol will almost always be cheaper, of course there are exceptions).
There are no good reasons to own a diesel (apart from throttle lag for RobM77 and even then that's only a specific to the engines in BMW's he's interested in) over a petrol apart from because you're doing enough miles to make it worth it putting up with them.
The only exception is the person who gets a company car as a perk rather than a need and for who the badge is more important than how it drives and wants to limit the BIK costs.
I do 8-10k per year. 16 months on, I still can't see a car that can do what it does, as well as it does let alone does it all whilst looking as good. The fact that Schnitzer have now made it even better just extends it's lead.
cerb4.5lee said:
Fastdruid said:
it's all about where you're sat and for the same money I would be rather sat in a top end Mondeo with a nice engine than a base 3-series with the bottom of the range engine.
You are the same as me and I have had three Mondeo`s and three 3 series and I would much sooner have a top end mondeo than a bottom end 3 series, I know I always get laughed at for saying it but for me the mondeo does exactly the same job as a 3 series anyway. Unless you push a car, a Mondeo will feel similar. And they do have a great chassis.
RWD only shows advantage once you reach a certain level of chassis capability; to 90% of people, a Mondeo full of toys probably feels as good if not better.
The 180bhp is enough to have a bit of fun with RWD but really it should be made law that 3 series have six cylinders.
RWD only shows advantage once you reach a certain level of chassis capability; to 90% of people, a Mondeo full of toys probably feels as good if not better.
The 180bhp is enough to have a bit of fun with RWD but really it should be made law that 3 series have six cylinders.
St John Smythe said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Fastdruid said:
it's all about where you're sat and for the same money I would be rather sat in a top end Mondeo with a nice engine than a base 3-series with the bottom of the range engine.
You are the same as me and I have had three Mondeo`s and three 3 series and I would much sooner have a top end mondeo than a bottom end 3 series, I know I always get laughed at for saying it but for me the mondeo does exactly the same job as a 3 series anyway. Neither will raise many smiles and if you want that you would buy a different type of car anyway, for getting from A to B or blasting up and down a motorway I just don't think you can separate a 3 series from a Mondeo.
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SidewaysSi said:
Ares said:
Tractor lad said:
Ares said:
You need to try a new M3 or M4. I did alongside both M135 and M235, on track and road. Different league.
So it should be for double the price. More or less the same engine, terrible traction issues and saloon/faux coupe shape rules it out. I'd get a 911 if I raided the bank funds in a rather reckless way. Still makes your initial point utter nonsense.
And for £50k ish I would be looking at a 911 too.
I've yet to find someone who HAS driven them, that doesn't think the M4 is better than the I6 & V8 M3s, perhaps CSL excluded.
....and a 911 starts about £25k north of £50k. Unless you are being silly and comparing 3yr old cars with new???
Tractor lad said:
Unless you push a car, a Mondeo will feel similar. And they do have a great chassis.
RWD only shows advantage once you reach a certain level of chassis capability; to 90% of people, a Mondeo full of toys probably feels as good if not better.
The 180bhp is enough to have a bit of fun with RWD but really it should be made law that 3 series have six cylinders.
Agree with both sentences! RWD only shows advantage once you reach a certain level of chassis capability; to 90% of people, a Mondeo full of toys probably feels as good if not better.
The 180bhp is enough to have a bit of fun with RWD but really it should be made law that 3 series have six cylinders.
ORD said:
Sump said:
No matey, you just couldn't afford the petrol. It is honestly that simple.
Not quite. He could afford the petrol but is, like a lot of people, obsessed with mpg.Personal preference is literally all that matters. Preference to a particular car cannot in any way be measured mathematically.
cerb4.5lee said:
St John Smythe said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Fastdruid said:
it's all about where you're sat and for the same money I would be rather sat in a top end Mondeo with a nice engine than a base 3-series with the bottom of the range engine.
You are the same as me and I have had three Mondeo`s and three 3 series and I would much sooner have a top end mondeo than a bottom end 3 series, I know I always get laughed at for saying it but for me the mondeo does exactly the same job as a 3 series anyway. Neither will raise many smiles and if you want that you would buy a different type of car anyway, for getting from A to B or blasting up and down a motorway I just don't think you can separate a 3 series from a Mondeo.
Then again it's not that fair when comparing them because the Mondeo isn't even in the same size class as the 3-series, it's 5-series sized. The only equivalent sized car I can find to the 3-series is the Alfa Romeo 159 and that's not even made anymore. Maybe it's time for Ford to bring back the Escort as a RWD car at a size in-between the Focus and Mondeo!
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