JLR on 3 day week
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CambsBill said:
I'd say JLR might be counting themselves a bit lucky compared to Audi, whose sales across Europe fell by 56% in September, sales in Germany being almost 70% down
But hey, lets just focus on JLR 'cos we like to give them a good kicking
Audi's sales are down due to WLTP and not being able to register cars. One big dealer I was talking to had his September target dropped from 200 registrations to 70 by Audi UK as they couldn't register the bulk of the range as they didn't comply. But hey, lets just focus on JLR 'cos we like to give them a good kicking
Ares said:
Problem is, you can no longer get the 380 V6 XF, according to the website at least - the only V6 is the diesel. The top petrol is a 2.0 T.
I've always wanted to love and get a Jag, I actually came close in 2001 with an S-Type V8, but since then there has been nothing that has made it past the first dealer visit.
Yes, 380 V6 Supercharged dropped a few months ago - but I believe still available in other markets. Nothing in the range at present that I would want to buy.I've always wanted to love and get a Jag, I actually came close in 2001 with an S-Type V8, but since then there has been nothing that has made it past the first dealer visit.
I6 engine was talked about by my dealer yesterday - but no date for when it is coming.
I had an S-type, V6 petrol - great car - though I looked like a retired vicar in it (old man's styling).
Next was an SV8 which was brutal and not a moment's trouble about in 80k miles.
Just found my XF-S is a pre-production prototype. Not happy. No wonder it has issues.
craigjm said:
No ideas for a name said:
Just found my XF-S is a pre-production prototype. Not happy. No wonder it has issues.
How did you find that out? The preproduction cars are usually crushed My source is JLR CRC, his source is my dealer - who is doing the warranty work - not the supplying dealer.
I found it was allegedly 'pre-production' when I was told there was a recall out, H050 affecting pre-production vehicles. I have seen this notice, but it seemed to get changed (revised) so the position isn't clear.
The allegation of it being a prototype was made today (by CRC).
I have referred this to the supplying dealer, but my contact is away for a week.
If it truly is a prototype - and it has been literally in the dealer, or waiting to go in to the dealer for more time than I have had it - I have no confidence.
It was actually rejected within 30 days, but I kept it on the strict understanding it could be fixed.
In the dealership all of last week, two days this week, me up there again yesterday to deal with other issues, on the phone to CRC today... and I think it needs to go in again.
I did discuss the prototype situation - and as you say should have been crushed, any of my products (not automotive field) that are prototype, might get loaned to a customer for field trials, but once returned would never be sold.
This car doesn't actually match the build spec that is pulled from JLR's system for this VIN.
I really need a contact within JLR to properly verify the situation.
VIN puts it within the first 300 units made, and that assumes they start from chassis number 1.
akadk said:
Prototypes are crushed and not resold
But it could be a pre-production model, I.e before series production on the line ... so wild have been handbuilt to some extend rather than the normal factory processes
Check your V5, is their a note on the front page reference Type Approval?
This.But it could be a pre-production model, I.e before series production on the line ... so wild have been handbuilt to some extend rather than the normal factory processes
Check your V5, is their a note on the front page reference Type Approval?
I've seen some pre production cars creep in to the dealer network, but prototypes are crushed or kept by the manufacturer. What's the date of first registration, and how does it compre with the launch date of the model?
No ideas for a name said:
I found it was allegedly 'pre-production' when I was told there was a recall out, H050 affecting pre-production vehicles. I have seen this notice, but it seemed to get changed (revised) so the position isn't clear.
The allegation of it being a prototype was made today (by CRC).
Pretty sure that an Hxxx refers to a UPS (Update Prior to Sale) instruction. These are just an instruction to do some work to the car before handover. Could be a software update / torque check / part replacement etc. The allegation of it being a prototype was made today (by CRC).
Could do with a VIN to check what this one is for you. Send me a message if you don’t want to post it publicly and I’ll look it up...
Fast Bug said:
I've seen some pre production cars creep in to the dealer network, but prototypes are crushed or kept by the manufacturer. What's the date of first registration, and how does it compre with the launch date of the model?
Launch date was around April 2015... but I don't know when cars were actually available for delivery. That was the date of its appearance at the US motor show and the unveiling in London.V5C says registered 21/07/15 <- No typo, 21st July 2015 (see later)
V5C says it has a type approval number
JLR Internal Fleet was its first RK
I bought with 2,200 miles
JLR VIN check says sold on 06/08/15 with 0 miles
Body plant body number fitment date 06/08/15
Earliest part date from the components listed is the 08/06/2015 and that is a fuel tank.
SO... it appears from that, that the body was 'fitted' two weeks after it was registered.
Document also says "Jaguar Pipeline Pre Vol Build 16MY PP2"
Mmm... I should have done this digging before.
Fast Bug said:
CambsBill said:
I'd say JLR might be counting themselves a bit lucky compared to Audi, whose sales across Europe fell by 56% in September, sales in Germany being almost 70% down
But hey, lets just focus on JLR 'cos we like to give them a good kicking
Audi's sales are down due to WLTP and not being able to register cars. One big dealer I was talking to had his September target dropped from 200 registrations to 70 by Audi UK as they couldn't register the bulk of the range as they didn't comply. But hey, lets just focus on JLR 'cos we like to give them a good kicking
akadk said:
Being a PP shouldn’t mean it’s condemned
I ran a PP F-TYPE R for 17k HARD miles and it was faultless.
I know PP doesn't condemn it... but I feel it should have been mentioned at time of sale.I ran a PP F-TYPE R for 17k HARD miles and it was faultless.
In some ways, I don't care about the PP status - that isn't my issue.
My issue is it doesn't work properly and doesn't seem to be fixable.
Being honest, most of the issues left are not show-stoppers, but then some of the faults (like slaming the brakes on for around 0.5s when on an empty dual carriageway on adaptive cruise) have just 'gone away' rather than been fixed.
It used to dip the brakes when overtaking waggons on a very slight bend (again on adaptive cruise) much fun for the people behind, when my car seems to get frightened of lorries and refuses to go past, it is a bit like a horse.
Air con when set to 19.5 degrees, blowing hot air out of the vents at 38 degrees (with an ambient of 27 - it only seemed to do that above this ambient). Maybe fixed now, but without an environmental chamber I can't know until the weather warms up.
Sometimes stop/starts within 500ms of coming to a rest, sometimes goes for month without a single stop/start.
At present, it is like an absolute rocket ship... but sometimes it seems to go in to lethargic mode.
Two things can happen
1) There is a waggon bearing down on you and it just ambles out of the way (so far)
2) You see a gap and put a normal amount of throttle in, and it is off, nearly ramming the vehicle in front.
If it was consistant it would be fine (rocket ship mode is best).
Argh.
Edited by No ideas for a name on Thursday 1st November 22:18
btom said:
See what I mean?
4.4% increase in Jaguar global sales = 'busted flush'.
Doesn't matter a jot if a company is losing money. 4.4% increase in Jaguar global sales = 'busted flush'.
Something is going wrong on a big scale if you are increasing sales but you are making loses.
I hope they turn it around. Manufacturing cars here that are stylish and desirable is a good thing.
Sadly Brexit will be blamed next year for what was already happening long before.
Sa Calobra said:
btom said:
See what I mean?
4.4% increase in Jaguar global sales = 'busted flush'.
Doesn't matter a jot if a company is losing money. 4.4% increase in Jaguar global sales = 'busted flush'.
Something is going wrong on a big scale if you are increasing sales but you are making loses.
I hope they turn it around. Manufacturing cars here that are stylish and desirable is a good thing.
Sadly Brexit will be blamed next year for what was already happening long before.
If you are referring to figures for Jaguar only then two things -
4.4% increase in sales based on a low number to start with is not much
Jaguar cant eat without Land Rover and it is the results of the whole of JLR that matter where in essence LR carries the J
No ideas for a name said:
Thanks, maybe I have been misled a bit by CRC's comments today. I wasn't told it was a pre-production unit when sold, but I did find that out later.
Original reg was OW15....
PP2 was the final pre production build phase. The brief to suppliers for this stage is that the cars are ‘fully saleable’. Therefore, certain retrofits may have occurred to finesse the car after production.Original reg was OW15....
It’s normal for JLR to sell PP2 cars into the dealer network.
Edited by adamcot on Friday 2nd November 18:49
craigjm said:
Where does this 4.4% increase in Global sales come from?
If you are referring to figures for Jaguar only then two things -
4.4% increase in sales based on a low number to start with is not much
Jaguar cant eat without Land Rover and it is the results of the whole of JLR that matter where in essence LR carries the J
If you are referring to figures for Jaguar only then two things -
4.4% increase in sales based on a low number to start with is not much
Jaguar cant eat without Land Rover and it is the results of the whole of JLR that matter where in essence LR carries the J
Ares said:
Are you sure? 13% drop in JLR sales, £90m loss for the quarter?
JLR have cited China, Brexit, Diesel and Jaguar sales as the core issues.
Jaguar sales in September up 4.4% (to 19k) LR sales down 18.8% (to 38k) = JLR sales down 12.3%.JLR have cited China, Brexit, Diesel and Jaguar sales as the core issues.
What is it about Jaguar that gets people's goat?
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