mandatory speed limiters to be fitted from 2022?
Discussion
Welshbeef said:
You wouldn’t overtake the time saving you’d gain is trivial.
Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
It's completely normal to overtake a lorry plodding on at 56MPH in a minibus, or anything else with a 60 limit.Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
Welshbeef said:
snowandrocks said:
The idea that speed limiters improve safety makes me think back to driving the minibuses at uni to go out to the Scottish Hills.
They were 15 seater transits and limited to 62mph. Quite sensible you would think but in reality it just meant you went everywhere with your foot flat on the floor. It's surprising how many corners on Scottish A roads can be taken at that speed even in a minibus but there were endless hairy moments!
Overtaking lorries with only a 6mph possible speed differential wasn't very enjoyable either!
You wouldn’t overtake the time saving you’d gain is trivial. They were 15 seater transits and limited to 62mph. Quite sensible you would think but in reality it just meant you went everywhere with your foot flat on the floor. It's surprising how many corners on Scottish A roads can be taken at that speed even in a minibus but there were endless hairy moments!
Overtaking lorries with only a 6mph possible speed differential wasn't very enjoyable either!
Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
bigothunter said:
Problem solved when overtaking on single-carriageway roads is banned.
<shudder> I can sadly see that happening. My daughter was (apparently!!) told by her instructer 10 years ago that over-taking on single carriage-ways was dangerous and shouldn't be done 
I can't imagine that this will have changed any over the intervening timesnowandrocks said:
The idea that speed limiters improve safety makes me think back to driving the minibuses at uni to go out to the Scottish Hills.
They were 15 seater transits and limited to 62mph. Quite sensible you would think but in reality it just meant you went everywhere with your foot flat on the floor. It's surprising how many corners on Scottish A roads can be taken at that speed even in a minibus but there were endless hairy moments!
Overtaking lorries with only a 6mph possible speed differential wasn't very enjoyable either!
Yes. Every time I've hired a minibus to take a few of us on a boys trip to france - it's 62mph or whatever it's limit is, everywhere.They were 15 seater transits and limited to 62mph. Quite sensible you would think but in reality it just meant you went everywhere with your foot flat on the floor. It's surprising how many corners on Scottish A roads can be taken at that speed even in a minibus but there were endless hairy moments!
Overtaking lorries with only a 6mph possible speed differential wasn't very enjoyable either!
DodgyGeezer said:
bigothunter said:
Problem solved when overtaking on single-carriageway roads is banned.
<shudder> I can sadly see that happening. My daughter was (apparently!!) told by her instructer 10 years ago that over-taking on single carriage-ways was dangerous and shouldn't be done I can't imagine that this will have changed any over the intervening timejsf said:
Welshbeef said:
You wouldn’t overtake the time saving you’d gain is trivial.
Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
It's completely normal to overtake a lorry plodding on at 56MPH in a minibus, or anything else with a 60 limit.Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
Anyone care to do the maths on the distance you’d need and the time to complete
Speed limits were raised for Lorries on single track roads from 40MPH to 50MPH and duel carriageways from 50MPH to 60MPH in 2015 , because the lower speed was causing more collisions as people got pissed off with plodders not overtaking and forming big queues, meaning more risky overtakes were being attempted.
Too slow is as big an issue as too fast when it comes to road safety.
Too slow is as big an issue as too fast when it comes to road safety.
jsf said:
Speed limits were raised for Lorries on single track roads from 40MPH to 50MPH and duel carriageways from 50MPH to 60MPH in 2015 , because the lower speed was causing more collisions as people got pissed off with plodders not overtaking and forming big queues, meaning more risky overtakes were being attempted.
Too slow is as big an issue as too fast when it comes to road safety.
That's not quite true though is it?Too slow is as big an issue as too fast when it comes to road safety.
The stats show far fewer collisions in which 'driving too slowly' was a contributory factor in the collision, than they do for 'driving too quickly' as a contributory factor.
In 2019
For recorded collisions which resulted in a casualty.
For driving too slow, or a slow vehicle (eg tractors), being a contributory factor accounted for 100 collisions.
For driving too fast the number was 4666.
For exceeding the speed limit it was 4664.
Personally I'm more likely to overtake a lorry doing 40 in NSLs than one doing 50. Because I have a smaller legal speed differential available to me.
Welshbeef said:
jsf said:
Welshbeef said:
You wouldn’t overtake the time saving you’d gain is trivial.
Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
It's completely normal to overtake a lorry plodding on at 56MPH in a minibus, or anything else with a 60 limit.Actually the suggestion of overtaking a lorry in a minibus carrying passengers is a frightful thought.
Anyone care to do the maths on the distance you’d need and the time to complete
On a dual carriageway with the truck at 56MPH and the minibus at 60MPH, then it would take 13.9 seconds to overtake. As it's a dual carriageway, then zero risk from that slow overtake. You see this speed difference type of overtake all the time on dual carriageways with vans or cars towing a trailer for example.
On a motorway, where a minibus (and a car) is legally allowed to do 70MPH, it would take 3.99 seconds to pass a Lorry doing 56MPH
vonhosen said:
That's not quite true though is it?
The stats show far fewer collisions in which 'driving too slowly' was a contributory factor in the collision, than they do for 'driving too quickly' as a contributory factor.
In 2019
For recorded collisions which resulted in a casualty.
For driving too slow, or a slow vehicle (eg tractors), being a contributory factor accounted for 100 collisions.
For driving too fast the number was 4666.
For exceeding the speed limit it was 4664.
Personally I'm more likely to overtake a lorry doing 40 in NSLs than one doing 50. Because I have a smaller legal speed differential available to me.
The government increased the speed limit for trucks on single carriageways a few years after they dropped it, that experiment failed.The stats show far fewer collisions in which 'driving too slowly' was a contributory factor in the collision, than they do for 'driving too quickly' as a contributory factor.
In 2019
For recorded collisions which resulted in a casualty.
For driving too slow, or a slow vehicle (eg tractors), being a contributory factor accounted for 100 collisions.
For driving too fast the number was 4666.
For exceeding the speed limit it was 4664.
Personally I'm more likely to overtake a lorry doing 40 in NSLs than one doing 50. Because I have a smaller legal speed differential available to me.
I am sure you understood my comment regarding too slow also being a problem.
jsf said:
vonhosen said:
That's not quite true though is it?
The stats show far fewer collisions in which 'driving too slowly' was a contributory factor in the collision, than they do for 'driving too quickly' as a contributory factor.
In 2019
For recorded collisions which resulted in a casualty.
For driving too slow, or a slow vehicle (eg tractors), being a contributory factor accounted for 100 collisions.
For driving too fast the number was 4666.
For exceeding the speed limit it was 4664.
Personally I'm more likely to overtake a lorry doing 40 in NSLs than one doing 50. Because I have a smaller legal speed differential available to me.
The government increased the speed limit for trucks on single carriageways a few years after they dropped it, that experiment failed.The stats show far fewer collisions in which 'driving too slowly' was a contributory factor in the collision, than they do for 'driving too quickly' as a contributory factor.
In 2019
For recorded collisions which resulted in a casualty.
For driving too slow, or a slow vehicle (eg tractors), being a contributory factor accounted for 100 collisions.
For driving too fast the number was 4666.
For exceeding the speed limit it was 4664.
Personally I'm more likely to overtake a lorry doing 40 in NSLs than one doing 50. Because I have a smaller legal speed differential available to me.
I am sure you understood my comment regarding too slow also being a problem.
The stats do not support that, not anywhere near.
Incidentally
There were fewer injury collisions in 2013 & 2014 (before they raised the LGV limits) due to vehicles travelling too slowly than after they raised them, so raising them has not resulted in a positive effect on the stats in that regard.
Edited by vonhosen on Saturday 6th November 17:27
I don't think the issue is particularly speed, and certainly don't agree with the slower is safer sentiment posted above.
Firstly, the driving test is woefully unfit for purpose. It teaches you absolutely nothing about the dynamics of driving, it just teaches you to drive in the most basic way to pass a test. The quality of driving out there is abysmal.
And as for slower is safer, can you honestly say on a motorway you are concentrating as much at 50mph as you are at 70+?
50 for long distances on a multi lane carriageway is unbearably tedious, and its far easier for your mind to wander than at higher speeds
Firstly, the driving test is woefully unfit for purpose. It teaches you absolutely nothing about the dynamics of driving, it just teaches you to drive in the most basic way to pass a test. The quality of driving out there is abysmal.
And as for slower is safer, can you honestly say on a motorway you are concentrating as much at 50mph as you are at 70+?
50 for long distances on a multi lane carriageway is unbearably tedious, and its far easier for your mind to wander than at higher speeds
hucumber said:
I don't think the issue is particularly speed, and certainly don't agree with the slower is safer sentiment posted above.
Firstly, the driving test is woefully unfit for purpose. It teaches you absolutely nothing about the dynamics of driving, it just teaches you to drive in the most basic way to pass a test. The quality of driving out there is abysmal.
And as for slower is safer, can you honestly say on a motorway you are concentrating as much at 50mph as you are at 70+?
50 for long distances on a multi lane carriageway is unbearably tedious, and its far easier for your mind to wander than at higher speeds
I think that is a strange argument. I can honestly say I concentrate just as much at 50, or any speed, as I do at 70. Are you really saying drivers have such limited concentration that they need to drove faster to ignite it? Firstly, the driving test is woefully unfit for purpose. It teaches you absolutely nothing about the dynamics of driving, it just teaches you to drive in the most basic way to pass a test. The quality of driving out there is abysmal.
And as for slower is safer, can you honestly say on a motorway you are concentrating as much at 50mph as you are at 70+?
50 for long distances on a multi lane carriageway is unbearably tedious, and its far easier for your mind to wander than at higher speeds
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff