RE: Driven: BMW 1 Series M Coupé

[Mermaid]

RobM77 said:

oh blimey... I know the 1-M is disguised in the top photo but how much better does the E46 look?!!

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[danp]

anonymous said:

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1er is taller than the E46, they always remind me a bit of one of these ;-)





This is more like it...

[havoc]

Will you all STOP posting those CSL pictures. I'm not buying one, no matter how good they sound and how quick they are!!!

(But if someone wanted to give me one, I'd not say no...more probably "Yes oh yes gimme the keys!")

[LuS1fer]

Ooh, innit big.

I still think these ever expanding kidneys make modern BMs look like Rovers.

Edited by LuS1fer on Thursday 21st October 22:16

[pilchardthecat]

danp said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

1er is taller than the E46, they always remind me a bit of one of these ;-)





This is more like it...

Mmmmmmmmm. Looks better. Lovely engine.

I need some of those wheels for mine.

[Smike]

LuS1fer said:

Ooh, innit big.

I still think these ever expanding kidneys make modern BMs look like Rovers.

Edited by LuS1fer on Thursday 21st October 22:16

Are E30 M3s with heated leather, electric sunroof and aircon seen in a less favourable light by the purists? I notice from the roadtests they're quite a bit heavier than the base spec kerb weights.

[E21_Ross]

Smike said:

LuS1fer said:

Ooh, innit big.

I still think these ever expanding kidneys make modern BMs look like Rovers.

Edited by LuS1fer on Thursday 21st October 22:16

Are E30 M3s with heated leather, electric sunroof and aircon seen in a less favourable light by the purists? I notice from the roadtests they're quite a bit heavier than the base spec kerb weights.

not that i'm aware of. people just like to moan when they can. that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

[havoc]

E21_Ross said:

that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Pretty much the same height, maybe.

You'll notice that the 1er bonnet is ~4in higher, it's at least that much wider (hard to be certain from that perspective), and it weighs ~30% (!) more. Oh, and it's running on stupidly wide rubber which robs you of feel, feedback and the delicacy of handling that (good) older cars are known for.

This also ignores the 'ugly stick' factor which the 1er has suffered from since birth...

[Smike]

havoc said:

E21_Ross said:

that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Pretty much the same height, maybe.

You'll notice that the 1er bonnet is ~4in higher, it's at least that much wider (hard to be certain from that perspective), and it weighs ~30% (!) more. Oh, and it's running on stupidly wide rubber which robs you of feel, feedback and the delicacy of handling that (good) older cars are known for.

What width rubber will the 1M-sport come with? I notice some of the normal 135is come on 215f/245r ( with options for bigger ). Are they going to be on similar to the E46 CSL ( 235/265 )?

[RobM77]

havoc said:

E21_Ross said:

that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Pretty much the same height, maybe.

You'll notice that the 1er bonnet is ~4in higher, it's at least that much wider (hard to be certain from that perspective), and it weighs ~30% (!) more. Oh, and it's running on stupidly wide rubber which robs you of feel, feedback and the delicacy of handling that (good) older cars are known for.

This also ignores the 'ugly stick' factor which the 1er has suffered from since birth...

Superficially the 1er may not look that much bigger in that picture, but the proportions are definitely more Buddha than Kylie. The size of the bumpers on the 1-M series makes it look like an E30 converted into a hovercraft

[LuS1fer]

RobM77 said:

havoc said:

E21_Ross said:

that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Pretty much the same height, maybe.

You'll notice that the 1er bonnet is ~4in higher, it's at least that much wider (hard to be certain from that perspective), and it weighs ~30% (!) more. Oh, and it's running on stupidly wide rubber which robs you of feel, feedback and the delicacy of handling that (good) older cars are known for.

This also ignores the 'ugly stick' factor which the 1er has suffered from since birth...

Superficially the 1er may not look that much bigger in that picture, but the proportions are definitely more Buddha than Kylie. The size of the bumpers on the 1-M series makes it look like an E30 converted into a hovercraft

That's inflation for you.

[Smike]

E21_Ross said:

Smike said:

LuS1fer said:

Ooh, innit big.

I still think these ever expanding kidneys make modern BMs look like Rovers.

Edited by LuS1fer on Thursday 21st October 22:16

Are E30 M3s with heated leather, electric sunroof and aircon seen in a less favourable light by the purists? I notice from the roadtests they're quite a bit heavier than the base spec kerb weights.

not that i'm aware of. people just like to moan when they can. that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Maybe that's an option for an 'Evolution' of the 1M ( or whatever it ends up being called )? Having no cost delete options for stuff like aircon etc to take some weight off? They managed to knock almost 200kg off the E46 M3 with the CSL. If they could do similar with the 1M it would be acceptably light.

[RobM77]

LuS1fer said:

RobM77 said:

havoc said:

E21_Ross said:

that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Pretty much the same height, maybe.

You'll notice that the 1er bonnet is ~4in higher, it's at least that much wider (hard to be certain from that perspective), and it weighs ~30% (!) more. Oh, and it's running on stupidly wide rubber which robs you of feel, feedback and the delicacy of handling that (good) older cars are known for.

This also ignores the 'ugly stick' factor which the 1er has suffered from since birth...

Superficially the 1er may not look that much bigger in that picture, but the proportions are definitely more Buddha than Kylie. The size of the bumpers on the 1-M series makes it look like an E30 converted into a hovercraft

That's inflation for you.

And it can't even travel across land and sea!

[Smike]

RobM77 said:

LuS1fer said:

RobM77 said:

havoc said:

E21_Ross said:

that E30 M3 is basically the same size as that 1er, the difference is pretty negligible to be honest, considering all the safety stuff it must adhere too whilst still attempting to remain remotely comfortable inside.

Pretty much the same height, maybe.

You'll notice that the 1er bonnet is ~4in higher, it's at least that much wider (hard to be certain from that perspective), and it weighs ~30% (!) more. Oh, and it's running on stupidly wide rubber which robs you of feel, feedback and the delicacy of handling that (good) older cars are known for.

This also ignores the 'ugly stick' factor which the 1er has suffered from since birth...

Superficially the 1er may not look that much bigger in that picture, but the proportions are definitely more Buddha than Kylie. The size of the bumpers on the 1-M series makes it look like an E30 converted into a hovercraft

That's inflation for you.

And it can't even travel across land and sea!

Even if it could travel on water there'd be something wrong with that - I'll be interested to see how much wider 'the stupidly wide rubber' will be than the M-cars of old

[Dagnut]

http://www.youtube.com/user/EVOTV#p/a/u/0/7cUYJEGN...

Seems to be answering a lot of critics here

[E21_Ross]

that's good news that he likes it. evo are obviously about how things drive from a drivers point of view if that makes sense. e.g. an S class isn't good because it's a bit wallowy (when it's supposed to be comfy). means it must drive quite well. good to know it feels like an NA engine to a certain extent too.

[Smike]

I think his opening remark at the top of page 45 sums it up for me. I like most of the cars he seems to and I'm itching to see the M-divisions take on a small turbo rwd-er........for that reason, I'm in

[Wolands Advocate]

So am I but it seems I won't be itching for very much longer as I appear to have been invited by BMW to fly to Germany at their expense this week to try out the 1M coupe!

[Smike]

Wolands Advocate said:

So am I but it seems I won't be itching for very much longer as I appear to have been invited by BMW to fly to Germany at their expense this week to try out the 1M coupe!

Sounds good Johnny - be interested to hear how it goes

[g3org3y]

Glad to see a very positive review. Really like Chris Harris, real asset to EVO imo. Genuine enthusiast and I think he really conveys this in his writing style.

Does he still have his E92 M3?