Double cab pickup tax loophole closing

Double cab pickup tax loophole closing

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JustGetATesla

308 posts

121 months

Monday 19th February
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WonkeyDonkey said:
I wonder when I'll see my first pickup truck with cargo actually on the back.
I literally drove past 10 of them this afternoon.

Evanivitch

20,486 posts

124 months

Monday 19th February
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Burrow01 said:
How is it "abused" if its legal..
laugh

David87

Original Poster:

6,676 posts

214 months

Monday 19th February
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False alarm. Stand down, gym owners and driveway contractors nationwide.

WonkeyDonkey

2,350 posts

105 months

Monday 19th February
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JustGetATesla said:
I literally drove past 10 of them this afternoon.
How strange that we don't share the same eyes.

Snow and Rocks

1,959 posts

29 months

Monday 19th February
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WonkeyDonkey said:
How strange that we don't share the same eyes.
You might share the same eyes but it sounds like you must be driving different roads.

Do you live in deepest suburbia/Central London or something if you've genuinely never seen a working pickup?

WonkeyDonkey

2,350 posts

105 months

Monday 19th February
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Snow and Rocks said:
You might share the same eyes but it sounds like you must be driving different roads.

Do you live in deepest suburbia or something if you've genuinely never seen a working pickup?
Isn't that where 95% of the pickups live?

Essarell

1,267 posts

56 months

Monday 19th February
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The irony of course is that HMRC removed the commercial vehicle status from one of the few vehicle classes on the road which could actually deliver as a commercial vehicle. Carry 1 ton whilst towing 3.5 tons.

As government departments go this is a really quick correction to obviously stupid, poorly thought through decision.


Snow and Rocks

1,959 posts

29 months

Monday 19th February
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WonkeyDonkey said:
Isn't that where 95% of the pickups live?
No. You maybe need to get out more.

WonkeyDonkey

2,350 posts

105 months

Monday 19th February
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Snow and Rocks said:
No. You maybe need to get out more.
I get out enough thank you.

dave123456

1,867 posts

149 months

Tuesday 20th February
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WonkeyDonkey said:
Snow and Rocks said:
No. You maybe need to get out more.
I get out enough thank you.
It’s pretty amazing that there are people on here who think that there is a swathe of the population prepared to drive something that is relatively uncomfortable day to day, struggles to achieve 30mpg and is pretty sluggish to boot, just to exploit a tax loophole.

And there are more who think that the people who need one for their occupation should be punished for taking it home at night, because they won’t be going out for a Sunday drive in it.

Have you ever actually driven one?

I’m pretty sure this place is inhabited by IT professionals who wfh all of the time and lost their ability to avoid tax a few years ago.

jeremyh1

1,375 posts

129 months

Tuesday 20th February
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dave123456 said:
It’s pretty amazing that there are people on here who think that there is a swathe of the population prepared to drive something that is relatively uncomfortable day to day, struggles to achieve 30mpg and is pretty sluggish to boot, just to exploit a tax loophole.

And there are more who think that the people who need one for their occupation should be punished for taking it home at night, because they won’t be going out for a Sunday drive in it.

Have you ever actually driven one?

I’m pretty sure this place is inhabited by IT professionals who wfh all of the time and lost their ability to avoid tax a few years ago.
Your are right Dave
again I will mention the members of this site . Ranger or a High lux is not a refined performance unless your chopping trees or putting your hand up a cows ass in a field


jeremyh1

1,375 posts

129 months

Tuesday 20th February
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jeremyh1 said:
Your are right Dave
again I will mention the members of this site who love good cars. Ranger or a High lux is not a refined performance car unless your chopping trees or putting your hand up a cows ass in a field

JustGetATesla

308 posts

121 months

Tuesday 20th February
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WonkeyDonkey said:
Isn't that where 95% of the pickups live?
I assume we will never get through to you. I know what suburban living is like. Did it for decades. I know what it’s like seeing a pristine DCPU on a suburban driveway looks like - used to walk part one walking the kids to school which was owned by a personal trainer.

So yea, I have seen the stereotype. But then I moved to North Pole North. And instead of the odd one I see lots of them. Had to drive into town yesterday. 18 miles each way. Where I was not exaggerating that I passed 10 or so of them. All dirty. All with a top box. Several towing.

They are used extensively here - ground clearance plus all wheel drive plus lugging capability. Go anywhere shift anything. Banning them - and the tax changes were an effective ban - wouldn’t just have meant have multiple vehicles. They would have meant endless pointless trips. “Just drive your car to site” many idiots said. Great - and when you live on a farm or out of a village and home and work are the same? Or town is 18 miles away?

Your experience in town is not the lived reality in the country. I’m glad government realised that. If only more people did, especially before they vote. “I think it therefore it is true” is how this country got itself into the state it’s in…

dave123456

1,867 posts

149 months

Tuesday 20th February
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JustGetATesla said:
I assume we will never get through to you. I know what suburban living is like. Did it for decades. I know what it’s like seeing a pristine DCPU on a suburban driveway looks like - used to walk part one walking the kids to school which was owned by a personal trainer.

So yea, I have seen the stereotype. But then I moved to North Pole North. And instead of the odd one I see lots of them. Had to drive into town yesterday. 18 miles each way. Where I was not exaggerating that I passed 10 or so of them. All dirty. All with a top box. Several towing.

They are used extensively here - ground clearance plus all wheel drive plus lugging capability. Go anywhere shift anything. Banning them - and the tax changes were an effective ban - wouldn’t just have meant have multiple vehicles. They would have meant endless pointless trips. “Just drive your car to site” many idiots said. Great - and when you live on a farm or out of a village and home and work are the same? Or town is 18 miles away?

Your experience in town is not the lived reality in the country. I’m glad government realised that. If only more people did, especially before they vote. “I think it therefore it is true” is how this country got itself into the state it’s in…
Hear hear.

Zero Fuchs

1,004 posts

20 months

Tuesday 20th February
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dave123456 said:
Hear hear.
Forgive me if it's too early and I'm not reading this right but...

Good news?

The Government has performed a spectacular U-turn over its decision to treat double cab pick-ups as cars for taxation purposes by dropping the policy just seven days after announcing it.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/tax-hi...

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/government-u-turn...



Edited by Zero Fuchs on Tuesday 20th February 08:18

Mammasaid

3,932 posts

99 months

Tuesday 20th February
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dave123456 said:
Hear hear.
Zero Fuchs said:
Forgive me if it's too early and I'm not reading this right but...

Good news?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/tax-hi...
Only about 13 hours too late biggrin

Zero Fuchs

1,004 posts

20 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Mammasaid said:
dave123456 said:
Hear hear.
Zero Fuchs said:
Forgive me if it's too early and I'm not reading this right but...

Good news?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/tax-hi...
Only about 13 hours too late biggrin
Haha. I wasn't following the thread yesterday but could see people still arguing.

I guess this is PH though.

DonkeyApple

56,002 posts

171 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Zero Fuchs said:
dave123456 said:
Hear hear.
Forgive me if it's too early and I'm not reading this right but...

Good news?

The Government has performed a spectacular U-turn over its decision to treat double cab pick-ups as cars for taxation purposes by dropping the policy just seven days after announcing it.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/tax-hi...

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/government-u-turn...



Edited by Zero Fuchs on Tuesday 20th February 08:18
I think that what is more likely, given that this was such a tiny thing that wouldn't have gone all the way up the chain, let alone to a minister is that the HMRC made the decision with at best only junior involvement from anyone in govt only for a more senior person in government to subsequently pick up on it and step in. HMRC can somewhat be a law unto itself at times and I doubt many minor changes are signed off by any elected member of govt.

Zero Fuchs

1,004 posts

20 months

Tuesday 20th February
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DonkeyApple said:
I think that what is more likely, given that this was such a tiny thing that wouldn't have gone all the way up the chain, let alone to a minister is that the HMRC made the decision with at best only junior involvement from anyone in govt only for a more senior person in government to subsequently pick up on it and step in. HMRC can somewhat be a law unto itself at times and I doubt many minor changes are signed off by any elected member of govt.
Thanks. This did cross my mind but am never 100% on how much power HMRC has, with respect to its autonomy.

I always thought legislative tax changes came from parliament but must be a threshold where some stuff is too small to get embroiled in all the bureaucracy.

JustGetATesla

308 posts

121 months

Tuesday 20th February
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Sunak is giving a speech to the National Farmers Union conference today. So we know why they did a spectacular u-turn yesterday...