Child Seat Advice

[Zod]

boobles said:

Zod said:

It beggars belief that a parent would not take care to ensure that a child is properly secured.

She probably thought that the seat inquestion was installed correct.

When I said "such a shame" I genuinely aimed it at educating parents in seat installations rather then blaming her.
She has paid the ultimate price & no parent should have to go through that.

I'd misread it then as suggesting that the child was simply not preoperly secured in the seat.

The worst examples I've seen are with rear-facing newborn non-isofix seats: some people just don't seem to be able to follow the instructions, but even allowing for that, they should be able to see that there is no way that the seat can be secure the way they have tried to attach it.

[boobles]

Zod said:

I'd misread it then as suggesting that the child was simply not preoperly secured in the seat.

The worst examples I've seen are with rear-facing newborn non-isofix seats: some people just don't seem to be able to follow the instructions, but even allowing for that, they should be able to see that there is no way that the seat can be secure the way they have tried to attach it.

We are also amazed by this. it's usually the diagonal belt across the lap part of the seat & the lap belt around the diagonal part of the seat. It's actually harder to install it this way, yet we see it on a daily basis.

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boobles said:

Zod said:

I'd misread it then as suggesting that the child was simply not preoperly secured in the seat.

The worst examples I've seen are with rear-facing newborn non-isofix seats: some people just don't seem to be able to follow the instructions, but even allowing for that, they should be able to see that there is no way that the seat can be secure the way they have tried to attach it.

We are also amazed by this. it's usually the diagonal belt across the lap part of the seat & the lap belt around the diagonal part of the seat. It's actually harder to install it this way, yet we see it on a daily basis.

I'm amazed that people can be that stupid?!

[treetops]

rhinochopig said:

Out of interest how do the child Recaros fare? We went with that make on the basis of their motorsport reputation as we couldn't find any public data on crash tests of child seats.

Big oops there then.

Do your research - Recaro will have been paid to stick their branding on by a third party that meke the seat...probably.

Best seats IMO are:

Maxi Cosi CabrioFix
Maxi Cosi Tobi
Graco Nautilus

[boobles]

The most important thing to remember is......

The child seat must come in to it's own when it's really needed! Luckilly most of you will never have to find out how good or bad the child seat is.

[lenats31]

Zod said:

I'd misread it then as suggesting that the child was simply not preoperly secured in the seat.

The worst examples I've seen are with rear-facing newborn non-isofix seats: some people just don't seem to be able to follow the instructions, but even allowing for that, they should be able to see that there is no way that the seat can be secure the way they have tried to attach it.

Yes it´s amazing.

The worst that I have seen ever involving an infant car seat was a completely newborn baby loosely strapped into the seat, the mother then put the car seat in the back seat forwardfacing and drove off without installing it.

What can i say???.............. brainless . I bet that this silly would have taken her car to the nearest shop straight away if her own frontseat was not attached to its´rails and the seatbelt wasn´t working.

On top of that, the car seat was an exspensive Maxi Cosi.

[BlackVanDyke]

lenats31 said:

Zod said:

I'd misread it then as suggesting that the child was simply not preoperly secured in the seat.

The worst examples I've seen are with rear-facing newborn non-isofix seats: some people just don't seem to be able to follow the instructions, but even allowing for that, they should be able to see that there is no way that the seat can be secure the way they have tried to attach it.

Yes it´s amazing.

The worst that I have seen ever involving an infant car seat was a completely newborn baby loosely strapped into the seat, the mother then put the car seat in the back seat forwardfacing and drove off without installing it.

What can i say???.............. brainless . I bet that this silly would have taken her car to the nearest shop straight away if her own frontseat was not attached to its´rails and the seatbelt wasn´t working.

On top of that, the car seat was an exspensive Maxi Cosi.

I hope you called the police - reckless endangerment?

[lenats31]

BlackVanDyke said:

I hope you called the police - reckless endangerment?

She was too quick to go. One could argue that there was time enough to get her license plate. But you really need to see her do it, before you can and will start to do anything.

[lenats31]

Another thing that is really silly about this case, is that she had obviously spent a lot of money on a good seat - only to misuse it grossly and not give the child a chance to survive a crash.

[WeirdNeville]

Right, I've got a deposit down on a Subaru 2004 Impreza with ISOFIX.
Looking at the Maxicosy cabriofix or the Recaro young Profiplus for my 2 month old son!
I want: Ease of clipping onto the base, and ease of carrying for my wife who's quite slight.
Anything to choose between them other than price?
Can I use ANY isofix base or do recaro have to go in a recaro one and a maxicosy with a maxicosy?

[boobles]

WeirdNeville said:

Right, I've got a deposit down on a Subaru 2004 Impreza with ISOFIX.
Looking at the Maxicosy cabriofix or the Recaro young Profiplus for my 2 month old son!
I want: Ease of clipping onto the base, and ease of carrying for my wife who's quite slight.
Anything to choose between them other than price?
Can I use ANY isofix base or do recaro have to go in a recaro one and a maxicosy with a maxicosy?

Make sure that you buy the correct one for the vehicle......
You can't use 2 different products so the base will have to be the same as the seat & vice versa.

[rogttr]

Hi. I own a Porsche 911 and my 8 year old daughter (125cm tall) has been sitting on a booster cushion that fits well in the rear bucket seat. It's not a tall booster but her head is now touching the glass in the rear screen. Obviously this is unacceptable. Do you know where I stand with the law if I take away the booster altogether?
Or can you suggest an alternative that will be legal and fit the car?
Thanks in advance.

[boobles]

rogttr said:

Hi. I own a Porsche 911 and my 8 year old daughter (125cm tall) has been sitting on a booster cushion that fits well in the rear bucket seat. It's not a tall booster but her head is now touching the glass in the rear screen. Obviously this is unacceptable. Do you know where I stand with the law if I take away the booster altogether?
Or can you suggest an alternative that will be legal and fit the car?
Thanks in advance.

Hi,

Unfortunately the law states that the child must be 1.35 metres or over, then the child seat doesn't have to be used.
If you take the booster seat away, not only do you run the risk of being fined but more importantly you run the risk of causing unnecessary injury to your child in the event of a crash.

The only other option is, not to take her out in the Porsche..... The child seat is there to protect but some car manufactures don't have children & car seats in mind when designing them.

Edited by boobles on Tuesday 31st January 07:50

[LeoSayer]

boobles said:

rogttr said:

Hi. I own a Porsche 911 and my 8 year old daughter (125cm tall) has been sitting on a booster cushion that fits well in the rear bucket seat. It's not a tall booster but her head is now touching the glass in the rear screen. Obviously this is unacceptable. Do you know where I stand with the law if I take away the booster altogether?
Or can you suggest an alternative that will be legal and fit the car?
Thanks in advance.

Hi,

Unfortunately the law states that the child must be 1.35 metres or over, then the child seat doesn't have to be used.
If you take the booster seat away, not only do you run the risk of being fined but more importantly you run the risk of causing unnecessary injury to your child in the event of a crash.

The only other option is, not to take her out in the Porsche..... The child seat is there to protect but some car manufactures don't have children & car seats in mind when designing them.

Edited by boobles on Tuesday 31st January 07:50

Surely the rear seats in a 911 are child seats without the need for a booster for a child that size. The seat and the belt certainly aren't suitable for adults.

Legality aside, using a booster which brings a child's head above the seat back (with no headrest) and next to the glass seems far more dangerous than simply letting them sit in the seat without adding a booster or child seat.

[boobles]

LeoSayer said:

boobles said:

rogttr said:

Hi. I own a Porsche 911 and my 8 year old daughter (125cm tall) has been sitting on a booster cushion that fits well in the rear bucket seat. It's not a tall booster but her head is now touching the glass in the rear screen. Obviously this is unacceptable. Do you know where I stand with the law if I take away the booster altogether?
Or can you suggest an alternative that will be legal and fit the car?
Thanks in advance.

Hi,

Unfortunately the law states that the child must be 1.35 metres or over, then the child seat doesn't have to be used.
If you take the booster seat away, not only do you run the risk of being fined but more importantly you run the risk of causing unnecessary injury to your child in the event of a crash.

The only other option is, not to take her out in the Porsche..... The child seat is there to protect but some car manufactures don't have children & car seats in mind when designing them.

Edited by boobles on Tuesday 31st January 07:50

Surely the rear seats in a 911 are child seats without the need for a booster for a child that size. The seat and the belt certainly aren't suitable for adults.

Legality aside, using a booster which brings a child's head above the seat back (with no headrest) and next to the glass seems far more dangerous than simply letting them sit in the seat without adding a booster or child seat.

To be honest, the law is there to protect children & rightly so. This isn't always achieved when people buy sports cars & expect them to be child & child seat friendly..... As said, the other option is either change the car or you can't "legally" take the child for a drive which is a shame because I am also car mad but sometimes you either have to have a second car or don't have a sports car if you want to transport children.

[Amateurish]

LeoSayer said:

Surely the rear seats in a 911 are child seats without the need for a booster for a child that size. The seat and the belt certainly aren't suitable for adults.

You might be right. The Audi TT rear seats qualify as child booster seat so the same might well be true for a 911.

[rogttr]

Amateurish said:

You might be right. The Audi TT rear seats qualify as child booster seat so the same might well be true for a 911.

Do you have a reference for that? It's exactly the reasoning I would like to apply to the 911 to satisfy the law.

[boobles]

rogttr said:

Amateurish said:

You might be right. The Audi TT rear seats qualify as child booster seat so the same might well be true for a 911.

Do you have a reference for that? It's exactly the reasoning I would like to apply to the 911 to satisfy the law.

Have you tried contacting Audi direct? They will be able to tell you if the seat doubles up as a booster seat. Rather than satisfying the law, it's probably better to make sure your child will be safe...

[lenats31]

The depth of the backseat cushion that she sits on would most likely be too deep. What this means in terms of safety is that a child her size may not be able to bend her knees over the edge of the seat and reach the floor. This is something that can cause her to sag in the seat, and cause a horrible beltfit and the risk of submarining in an accident. This can cause severe injuries.

She may even put the shoulderbelt under her armpit, which makes matters worse.

Good video here from Britax, that clearly shows the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=ends...

[hijacker]

Hi Boobles,

Would very much appreciate your advice on the following:

Car is a 2009 Mercedes W211 with rear outer seats used for 3 year olds in Britax isofix seat (maybe Duo or Romer, not sure without checking)

Question though is would like to use rear middle seat for 7 year old. Space is restricted in this seat and would prefer high back with side protection if possible. (assume front passenger seat is in use too) Is anything available for this?

Kind regards,

Hijacker.