Honest John and Left Foot Braking?
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IforB said:
I am very much right handed, but oddly enough, that doesn't cause a problem when flying a helicopter or aircraft. It doesn't cause an issue when I am in my car either.
Is it because I have god-like abilities?
Nah, it is because I learned how to do it.
We humans can learn far more complex things than pushing a brake pedal with our other foot. Why is there such furore about it?
I watched my straighter learn how to walk a few years ago. That's a damned sight more complex than braking with one foot or the other. She managed it and she wasn't even a year old. Funny how she could do that and you find it impossible to imagine doing something far more simple!
But, but, but...Is it because I have god-like abilities?
Nah, it is because I learned how to do it.
We humans can learn far more complex things than pushing a brake pedal with our other foot. Why is there such furore about it?
I watched my straighter learn how to walk a few years ago. That's a damned sight more complex than braking with one foot or the other. She managed it and she wasn't even a year old. Funny how she could do that and you find it impossible to imagine doing something far more simple!
I thought kids brains were supposed to learn new stuff better than old folks like me
Me, I right foot brake in my auto XE - I could learn to left foot brake, but I've been driving using rfb for over 40 years, so I'd rather enjoy the driving than ruin a thousand miles or more of driving practising a new trick that won't help 99% or more of the time
I really couldn't care less which foot other folks use to brake, so long as they don't drive into me...
There is no furore about it. The only argument is whether it's of any measurable value in everyday driving by typical drivers.
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
Taylor James said:
There is no furore about it. The only argument is whether it's of any measurable value in everyday driving by typical drivers.
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
Nope. Not looking for any value in left foot braking. It's how I drive autos. I can do it. It feels right. Not looking for any value. It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
Taylor James said:
There is no furore about it. The only argument is whether it's of any measurable value in everyday driving by typical drivers.
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
I feel no requirement to justify how or why I do it. Equally, it is none of anyone else's business about how I drive my car as long as I am driving safely and in full control.It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
I can definitely see benefits for driving using both feet, it just makes sense when you think about it more, which is why I do it. If you don;t understand the benefits, then fine, that's your prerogative, but this is supposedly a site for people who care about driving, so techniques for doing it differently should be encouraged not ignored.
Having a discussion about why it might be good or not is perfectly valid, what isn't valid is people simply suggesting it is a waste of time without thinking about it. That's just people being dogmatic and stuck in their ways.
You only get better by being open to new things and developing your skills. None of us is immune from getting better.
IforB said:
Taylor James said:
There is no furore about it. The only argument is whether it's of any measurable value in everyday driving by typical drivers.
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
I feel no requirement to justify how or why I do it. Equally, it is none of anyone else's business about how I drive my car as long as I am driving safely and in full control.It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances. These only support the argument that it's pretty pointless in the circumstances I've described.
No-one much cares if people want to do it. It isn't some kind of special skill that only real drivers use. It's no more or less than a minority preference.
I can definitely see benefits for driving using both feet, it just makes sense when you think about it more, which is why I do it. If you don;t understand the benefits, then fine, that's your prerogative, but this is supposedly a site for people who care about driving, so techniques for doing it differently should be encouraged not ignored.
Having a discussion about why it might be good or not is perfectly valid, what isn't valid is people simply suggesting it is a waste of time without thinking about it. That's just people being dogmatic and stuck in their ways.
You only get better by being open to new things and developing your skills. None of us is immune from getting better.
No-one is asking you to justify it.
There are no appreciable benefits in the circumstances I've described. That's my considered opinion. Any benefits are debatable at best but I always support a personal preference that doesn't inconvenience or endanger others.
I've thought about it. Please respect my opinion in the same way I assume you'd want me to respect yours.
Taylor James said:
Agree it's your business.
No-one is asking you to justify it.
There are no appreciable benefits in the circumstances I've described. That's my considered opinion. Any benefits are debatable at best but I always support a personal preference that doesn't inconvenience or endanger others.
I've thought about it. Please respect my opinion in the same way I assume you'd want me to respect yours.
Nope. Not looking for any benefits in left foot braking. It's how I drive autos. I can do it. It feels right. Not looking for any benefits. No-one is asking you to justify it.
There are no appreciable benefits in the circumstances I've described. That's my considered opinion. Any benefits are debatable at best but I always support a personal preference that doesn't inconvenience or endanger others.
I've thought about it. Please respect my opinion in the same way I assume you'd want me to respect yours.
Taylor James said:
Agree it's your business.
No-one is asking you to justify it.
There are no appreciable benefits in the circumstances I've described. That's my considered opinion. Any benefits are debatable at best but I always support a personal preference that doesn't inconvenience or endanger others.
I've thought about it. Please respect my opinion in the same way I assume you'd want me to respect yours.
I do respect it, I just don't agree with it. If you had said "I've tried it, got used to it but didn't think it mattered" then that's is fine. No-one is asking you to justify it.
There are no appreciable benefits in the circumstances I've described. That's my considered opinion. Any benefits are debatable at best but I always support a personal preference that doesn't inconvenience or endanger others.
I've thought about it. Please respect my opinion in the same way I assume you'd want me to respect yours.
Where I get the hump is people just poo-pooing anything new simply because they haven't tried it.
Like most things, until you actually have a go, you can't really speak with any authority on a subject. it is just academic opinion, which is fine, but until it is tested, then that opinion is worth less than experiential proof.
All of us who LFP tend to say the same thing, it does make a difference. Not in every circumstance, but even on a basic level then it makes sense in how quickly you can apply brake or throttle, if you have your feet already in position.
So, as I say, you are completely entitled to your opinion, however I am also entitled to use my knowledge and experience to disagree with it.
IforB said:
NewUsername said:
DoubleD said:
I dont think anyone is saying that left foot braking isnt quicker in terms of reaction times as I think we all know that it is.
ReallySo someone with a dominant right foot who has rfb the majority of their life will have the same reactions and skill with their left foot as their right?
Okaaaaay then
Is it because I have god-like abilities?
Nah, it is because I learned how to do it.
We humans can learn far more complex things than pushing a brake pedal with our other foot. Why is there such furore about it?
I watched my straighter learn how to walk a few years ago. That's a damned sight more complex than braking with one foot or the other. She managed it and she wasn't even a year old. Funny how she could do that and you find it impossible to imagine doing something far more simple!
I have used LFB myself in a fwd car extensively, its not impossible to learn by any means and the more you do it the more natural it becomes, like most skills use it or lose it, but my point on the thread has always been that its not safe for novices to go and learn from scratch on the public roads, its just not safe until you reach a level of competency (driving god status in PH terms obviously)...... for those saying it lessens stopping distances then i have pointed out that reactions under stress will not be as good with the less dominant leg. Now i'm pretty sure both of those statements are sensible and true. Feel free to discuss further, it is a public forum
PS. Would the helicopter be just as natural to fly if someone swapped all the controls from left to right?
Edited by NewUsername on Monday 7th October 12:18
NewUsername said:
PS. Would the helicopter be just as natural to fly if someone swapped all the controls from left to right?
I guess it depends what you learn. As it happens when I built my own collective control for a simulator/game I put it on my right hand with the stick/cyclic on left. I'm right handed, if that makes a difference. V6 Pushfit said:
We all have a natural dominance for right or left - a right or left dominant eye is a good example and often not realised.
So left foot braking will be easier for some than others and seem far more natural. Its no biggie but we're almost on Vol 23 already.
I have mixed brain dominance.So left foot braking will be easier for some than others and seem far more natural. Its no biggie but we're almost on Vol 23 already.
But only for my feet.
....
Ah, now, there's a funny thing. Writing that reminded me of sliding on frozen playgrounds at school. I'm right handed but lead with my left foot when sliding.
I'm ambipedal.
This explains everything.
Toltec said:
NewUsername said:
PS. Would the helicopter be just as natural to fly if someone swapped all the controls from left to right?
I guess it depends what you learn. As it happens when I built my own collective control for a simulator/game I put it on my right hand with the stick/cyclic on left. I'm right handed, if that makes a difference. NewUsername said:
Toltec said:
NewUsername said:
PS. Would the helicopter be just as natural to fly if someone swapped all the controls from left to right?
I guess it depends what you learn. As it happens when I built my own collective control for a simulator/game I put it on my right hand with the stick/cyclic on left. I'm right handed, if that makes a difference. JimSuperSix said:
Taylor James said:
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances
It can be demonstrated that it does reduce stopping distances, and that's a very large positive in situations where stopping distances matter.
JimSuperSix said:
Taylor James said:
It gets quite funny when people start justifying it for balancing the car or reducing stopping distances
It can be demonstrated that it does reduce stopping distances, and that's a very large positive in situations where stopping distances matter.
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