Double cab pickup tax loophole closing

Double cab pickup tax loophole closing

Author
Discussion

MaxFromage

1,919 posts

133 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
Thanks HMRC. How do I and all the other accountants who have had to jump on this get our wasted time back?

MrBig

2,768 posts

131 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
David87 said:
False alarm. Stand down, gym owners and driveway contractors nationwide.
Which one of those were you?

malaccamax

1,273 posts

233 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
JustGetATesla said:
Sunak is giving a speech to the National Farmers Union conference today. So we know why they did a spectacular u-turn yesterday...
Ha. This is of course exactly why. HMRC probably went through all the procedures, but no one in govnt clocked what it actually might mean until they saw the headlines. Cue a speedy u-turn. What a bloody shower this lot are

LeighW

4,437 posts

190 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
MaxFromage said:
Thanks HMRC. How do I and all the other accountants who have had to jump on this get our wasted time back?
We don't. Still, Starmer will probably step in soon to say that they'll reverse that decision anyway... Maybe I'm getting cynical in my old age. wink

PurpleTurtle

7,104 posts

146 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
DonkeyApple said:
Zero Fuchs said:
dave123456 said:
Hear hear.
Forgive me if it's too early and I'm not reading this right but...

Good news?

The Government has performed a spectacular U-turn over its decision to treat double cab pick-ups as cars for taxation purposes by dropping the policy just seven days after announcing it.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/consumer/tax-hi...

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/government-u-turn...



Edited by Zero Fuchs on Tuesday 20th February 08:18
I think that what is more likely, given that this was such a tiny thing that wouldn't have gone all the way up the chain, let alone to a minister is that the HMRC made the decision with at best only junior involvement from anyone in govt only for a more senior person in government to subsequently pick up on it and step in. HMRC can somewhat be a law unto itself at times and I doubt many minor changes are signed off by any elected member of govt.
The key part of that Auotcar article is the subheading "HMRC makes U-turn on changes to benefit-in-kind rules after criticism from motor industry"

You can imagine someone at the SMMT going absolutely apoplectic that a segment that accounts for c41,000 new vehicle registrations every year was about to take a significant dent.

HMRC making a massive policy balls up without ant proper consultation eh, who'da thunk it?

I might get my order in for one! (joke)

braddo

10,630 posts

190 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
PurpleTurtle said:
The key part of that Auotcar article is the subheading "HMRC makes U-turn on changes to benefit-in-kind rules after criticism from motor industry"

You can imagine someone at the SMMT going absolutely apoplectic that a segment that accounts for c41,000 new vehicle registrations every year was about to take a significant dent.

HMRC making a massive policy balls up without ant proper consultation eh, who'da thunk it?

It's not HMRC who made the U-turn though. It was the government.

The Treasury's coffers are empty so I would expect that after the UK election, the closing of this loophole will be back on the table.

JustGetATesla

305 posts

121 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
braddo said:
It's not HMRC who made the U-turn though. It was the government.

The Treasury's coffers are empty so I would expect that after the UK election, the closing of this loophole will be back on the table.
Why? The planned change would have applied 37% BIK to these vehicles. £7-8k a year for a 40% tax payer. Nobody would be paying that as nobody would have one as a company car. So you'd lose the moderate tax take of the fixed BIK and replace it with nothing. As well as incurring a big cost to small business and the rural economy.

Its almost as if the Tories have no clue about business, or the rural economy, or tax, or competence...

DeejRC

5,864 posts

84 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
My accountant just informed me. I informed the meeting I was in just because it was good news.

An iota of common sense from the powers that be...wonders will never cease!

cologne2792

2,133 posts

128 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
JustGetATesla said:

braddo

10,630 posts

190 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
JustGetATesla said:
Why? The planned change would have applied 37% BIK to these vehicles. £7-8k a year for a 40% tax payer. Nobody would be paying that as nobody would have one as a company car. So you'd lose the moderate tax take of the fixed BIK and replace it with nothing. As well as incurring a big cost to small business and the rural economy.

Its almost as if the Tories have no clue about business, or the rural economy, or tax, or competence...
Because the record breaking sales of DCPUs are not driven by people in the rural economy. There is pisstaking going on, which is why HMRC wants to close the loophole. Leaving it as is means HMRC miss out on VAT on the vehicle purchase and BIK NI (or income tax and NI if the company car is no longer provided).





Zero Fuchs

1,003 posts

20 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
cologne2792 said:
Hooray!


??

Burning Bridges,

with

What You're Proposing,

so

Roll Over Lay Down,

and have

Whatever you Want?

Deesee

8,495 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
braddo said:
The Treasury's coffers are empty so I would expect that after the UK election, the closing of this loophole will be back on the table.
Empty?



Record takings!! rofl

Electronicpants

2,660 posts

190 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
Zero Fuchs said:
cologne2792 said:
Hooray!


??

Burning Bridges,

with

What You're Proposing,

so

Roll Over Lay Down,

and have

Whatever you Want?
Things haven't changed.

braddo

10,630 posts

190 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
Deesee said:
Empty?



Record takings!! rofl
I hope you pay your accountant well.

Record takings don't mean much when you're spending more than you earn. A UK government hasn't had a budget surplus (i.e. spent less than they earned) since 2000/01.

cologne2792

2,133 posts

128 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
Zero Fuchs said:
cologne2792 said:
Hooray!


??

Burning Bridges,

with

What You're Proposing,

so

Roll Over Lay Down,

and have

Whatever you Want?
clap

Deesee

8,495 posts

85 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
braddo said:
Deesee said:
Empty?



Record takings!! rofl
I hope you pay your accountant well.

Record takings don't mean much when you're spending more than you earn. A UK government hasn't had a budget surplus (i.e. spent less than they earned) since 2000/01.
Brilliant!!

You have the UK financial needs at hand..

Record tax receipts injected back to our companies means more investment in UK plc.. (unless your from the CCP/USSR).


braddo

10,630 posts

190 months

Tuesday 20th February
quotequote all
Deesee said:
Brilliant!!

You have the UK financial needs at hand..

Record tax receipts injected back to our companies means more investment in UK plc.. (unless your from the CCP/USSR).
Jesus.