Still a £$&£$ on the log book

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AlexRS2782 said:

Nice looking Fiesta RST - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIESTA-RS-TURBO-MODIFIED...

Oh but hang on, if it's an N Reg it should be a 1.8 n/a, not a 1.6 turbo, engine. Oh that will be because it's actually a 1.4 Si then, that he's done the work to but somehow forgotten to change the V5 or tell his insurers, so that he can get "cheap tax & insurance" as per the ad

Who's to say where the RST engine came from? I'd rather walk across another minefield than risk buying that.

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Again if that AX was legitimate it would be awesome but "still a 1.0 on the log book" means as far as I'm concerned it may as well be scrap.

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899cc Fiat Cinquecento. Listed as a "Sporting". 1242cc Punto engine (looks like a Punto 60 but could be a 75).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-CINQUECENTO-SPORTIN...

Again a great little car but rubbish log book keeping.

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doogz said:

ADM06 said:

It's a piece of information that these days, is having less and less to do wihey'd want tth the performance of the car.
So I wouldn't need to declare 2.0 Evo engine into say, a very sluggish Golf 2.0 "GTI"?

If you've ever looked at a V5, they quote the engine displacement in cubic centimetres.

So, if you replaced one 2000cc engine with another, I have no idea what the answer to your question is. Would be interested to know though.

The engine numbers would be different and the DVLA would cross reference the number to identify the capacity and VED/RFL. Then they'd probably want an engineers report and if any structural alteration has been made (to fit the Evo running gear for example) SVA/IVA etc.

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LeeMad said:

Negative Creep said:

Considering it still has the standard wheeltrims, it wouldn't surprise me if it's still the 3 stud rear beam

thats my guess. at least the front hubs have been changed to fit decent brakes (i hope)

There's sod all weight over the rear. Unless the car's being used properly on a rally stage there's no real need to upgrade the rear brakes. Apart from for M.O.T purposes that is. If the car's de-registered for track use it's only the scrutineers you need to bribe.

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You are the exception to the rule. Most of these conversions are to get performance and cheap insurance. I used to feel ripped off by insurance companies wanting £2,000 for me to drive my Cinquecento when I was younger and basically wrote a letter to them suggesting it was little more than age discrimination the four friends my age wrote cars off. One of them seriously injured himself and nearly killed his passenger. I then got hit by someone overtaking on a blind bend. My insurers were fine about it but it was the Police who assumed I was to blame because I was the less experienced driver. If you're under twenty five and want to drive; move to America. You won't get anywhere near as penalised for you age there and the types of car you can afford are much better than over here.

I can understand the feeling of being ripped off by insurers and the appeal of sticking a middle finger up to them insuring a one liter Corsa with an Ecotec V6 powering it but I wouldn't buy one without it being declared to the DVLA first as you are potentially buying a car you will never be able to use legally on a public road.

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Negative Creep said:

Liquid Knight said:

LeeMad said:

Negative Creep said:

Considering it still has the standard wheeltrims, it wouldn't surprise me if it's still the 3 stud rear beam

thats my guess. at least the front hubs have been changed to fit decent brakes (i hope)

There's sod all weight over the rear. Unless the car's being used properly on a rally stage there's no real need to upgrade the rear brakes. Apart from for M.O.T purposes that is. If the car's de-registered for track use it's only the scrutineers you need to bribe.

True, but would you really trust a car where he hasn't bothered to do the work to allow the same wheels front and rear?

Different hubs would mean different width rims and tyres. No weight or grip from the rear end means the would be a spinning top waiting for a corner. Will the Saxo rear beam fit the AX? I think they're totally different and would require major chassis modification to mount up to the AX floor. SVA/IVA territory at least.

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Negative Creep said:

I think you can just change the hubs and drums over (or the AX GTi also had a 4 stud beam). I used to have an AX GT with a VTR engine which was great fun, although still used the 3 stud hubs.

I had a set of three stud Compomotive Mo's with Yoko's on my 106 F1000 rally car. It was crap but looked the part.

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doogz said:

Some AX's had 4 stud hubs, so you can forget about a saxo rear beam, it's not neccessary.

My thinking was looking at the track width difference...



...it's got the whole Saxo front cross member, mounts and adapted uprights (if it's done properly) fitting the Saxo rear end would even that out.

Unless you use some kind of hubcentric spacer with three studs to hold it in place and four bolt holes. But that would be a bit too Bernie and Lepu for me.

Edited by Liquid Knight on Tuesday 28th May 12:53

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doogz said:

Or change it to a 4 stud arrangement with some GT/GTi trailing arms, or the whole beam, and space it accordingly.

Either way anything more than a 10mm spacer would be a black flag from the aliens from the planet Scruton (scrutineers).

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Shhhhh! They'll know.

It depends on the track, event and level of competition. Some will allow it some will ask you to leave politely.

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AlexRS2782 said:

Not sure if it's already been linked, but if not - Saxo with a GSXR engine:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Saxo-fitted-with-GSXR-11...

What a waste of an oil cooled slabby.

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martin mrt said:

Liquid Knight said:

You are the exception to the rule. Most of these conversions are to get performance and cheap insurance. I used to feel ripped off by insurance companies wanting £2,000 for me to drive my Cinquecento when I was younger and basically wrote a letter to them suggesting it was little more than age discrimination the four friends my age wrote cars off. One of them seriously injured himself and nearly killed his passenger. I then got hit by someone overtaking on a blind bend. My insurers were fine about it but it was the Police who assumed I was to blame because I was the less experienced driver. If you're under twenty five and want to drive; move to America. You won't get anywhere near as penalised for you age there and the types of car you can afford are much better than over here.

I can understand the feeling of being ripped off by insurers and the appeal of sticking a middle finger up to them insuring a one liter Corsa with an Ecotec V6 powering it but I wouldn't buy one without it being declared to the DVLA first as you are potentially buying a car you will never be able to use legally on a public road.

With regards to the legalities of it all, as long as it is insure correctly, taxed correctly and mot'd then I don't see the huge issue with the v5 remaining unchanged, its certainly not illegal in the eyes of the law as long as its insured correctly

I can see why many will use it to flout the law, but get caught in your 2.0 Corsa that's insured as a 1.0 and your facing 6 points and a hefty fine, not worth the hassle IMO, but neither is the rigmarole involved with doing CC change on the V5 if some paperwork is missing

Taxed correctly without updating the log book?

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-325-COMPACT-DRIFT-CA...

eBay add said:

Still a 318 so cheap insurance...

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/honda-civic-1-6-vtec-con...

Still a 1.5 on the log book.

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That is such a shame as it's a lovely looking car and a straight forward conversion so little could go wrong.

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AlexRS2782 said:

MG ZR with a T16 turbo conversion but still down as a 1.4

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MG-ZR-T16-2-0-TURBO-PETR...

Common straight forward conversion, but is there any other reason to not declare it than fraud?

Shame as the AN Racing one I had a go in was awesome. Sounds like his one needs a complete rebuild and parts are a damn sight harder to come by these days.

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What the crap???

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/jeep-4x4-off-roader-tax-...

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Reshelling a LandRover chassis with a Jago Jeep one makes sense but a Mahindra chassis with LDV engine?

I have a suspicion (from the photo's and my limited knowledge of Land Rover platforms) the chassis is original and the guy hasn't got a clue what he's got. Still...

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2l-8v-vauxhall-nova-spin...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vauxhall-nova-1-6-conver...

They've "spent loads of time and money" on the cars but couldn't be arsed to take two minutes filling a form in and sending it to the DVLA.

I wonder how many other corners have been cut?