Great then, carp now
Discussion
walm said:
I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
Chris71 said:
Really? I think niche sports cars like TVRs and Marcoses have always been allowed to be a little rough around the edges. Granted, if AMG produced it for £100k people might complain, but if it cost 30 grand and came from a barn in Warwickshire I think the minority to whom that appeals would still love it.
I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
Remind me... what is the name of the car?I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
DannyVTS said:
They look like Noble rear lights! 
Ha ha - You mean they look like Mondeo lights? 
BDR529 said:
Cars from the 70s, 80s & 90s are worse than their modern equivalents shocker.
But ARE they? I often marvel at how big 'small' saloons are today and how much space there is in something like an old Triumph or a Cortina compared the exterior.And the love of PAS on even the smallest of cars takes away most of the feel you used to get on cars in the 70s and early 80s.
You COULDN'T release a car from the 70s or 80s today (legally I mean), but I'm not convinced they would be WORSE than a lot of the modern cars on the market.
M.
Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 21st July 17:01
thinfourth2 said:
Consider the BMW M3 E30 and imagine the outcry on here is BMW released it today.
A crappy little 4pot with just over 200Bhp, a terrible 5 speed box, a slow 0-60, no crash protection and zero toys.
It would be slated
So what other great cars would the pub bores hate if they were made today
I dont know, on the scale of things the E30 can still hold its own, even if its performance today doesnt set the world on fire.A crappy little 4pot with just over 200Bhp, a terrible 5 speed box, a slow 0-60, no crash protection and zero toys.
It would be slated
So what other great cars would the pub bores hate if they were made today
walm said:
Chris71 said:
Really? I think niche sports cars like TVRs and Marcoses have always been allowed to be a little rough around the edges. Granted, if AMG produced it for £100k people might complain, but if it cost 30 grand and came from a barn in Warwickshire I think the minority to whom that appeals would still love it.
I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
Remind me... what is the name of the car?I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
Chris71 said:
walm said:
Chris71 said:
Really? I think niche sports cars like TVRs and Marcoses have always been allowed to be a little rough around the edges. Granted, if AMG produced it for £100k people might complain, but if it cost 30 grand and came from a barn in Warwickshire I think the minority to whom that appeals would still love it.
I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
Remind me... what is the name of the car?I guess the only thing you could say is that particular example - and indeed the early Griffiths and Chimaeras - belonged to an era when there was a shortage of decent affordable sports cars from the mainstream (before the S2000, Z3M, Boxster, 350Z and so on surfaced). I maintain that they're not directly comparable to the low volume manufacturers, but people are more likely to be tempted away from their TVRs, Marcoses and Lotuses by something like a Boxster than they were a mk2 MR2.
M.
marcosgt said:
Chris71 said:
I'm sensing that's actually a rhetorical question, but... it looks to me like a Marcos Mantara.
I think it's the fishy theme... M.
I totally agree with you though Chris - I have always loved most of the Marcos range and still think they look fantastic today.
marcosgt said:
But ARE they? I often marvel at how big 'small' saloons are today and how much space there is in something like an old Triumph or a Cortina compared the exterior.
And the love of PAS on even the smallest of cars takes away most of the feel you used to get on cars in the 70s and early 80s.
You COULDN'T release a car from the 70s or 80s today (legally I mean), but I'm not convinced they would be WORSE than a lot of the modern cars on the market.
M.
Fair point. And the love of PAS on even the smallest of cars takes away most of the feel you used to get on cars in the 70s and early 80s.
You COULDN'T release a car from the 70s or 80s today (legally I mean), but I'm not convinced they would be WORSE than a lot of the modern cars on the market.
M.
Edited by marcosgt on Thursday 21st July 17:01
I miss the feeling of the steering on my E30. The OP stated about crash protection, which seems a bit pointless to bring up if you are singling out one particular car for it, when most cars of that age weren't much better, if at all. And take any car from back then, compare it to it's modern day version, the result is going to be obvious.
I meant to refer to that but I wasn't paying much attention when I posted
stewjohnst said:
TonyRPH said:
mnkiboy said:
Surely any car from the mid to late 80's would be pretty 'carp' if it was released today. And out of that bunch of drivel, the E30 M3 would be one of the better ones.
The 0-60 on the M3 isn't too bad compared to todays cars. In fact, you could make it even faster if you could find a BMW tuna to extract more power.
I see what you did there The 0-60 on the M3 isn't too bad compared to todays cars. In fact, you could make it even faster if you could find a BMW tuna to extract more power.
Negative Creep said:
Well if any older car were released today it would be called a deathtrap for not having 10 airbags, dangerous for not having brakes that make you headbutt the window as soon as you brush them and poor build quality because the dials don't light up blue
I happen to think my 1992 1.8 Carbed 8V Cavalier has aged well. No airbags, fairly slow, but still quite happy on the open road at erm 70. I dare say that I'd probabally survive in all but the worst crash.I still like them but if the 308 Ferrari's were released today I think they'd have a hard time in the market with their Italian "charm" and unreliability, around 7 second 0-60 and sub 150 top speed. It does go to show how well other rivals such as the 928 or 911 or its day have held up in comparison. I also like the c4 corvette of 1984-1990 but they would be disgraced by many a common commuter car today.
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