CTR ep3.....thoughts
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Its not just the looks of the DC5 though, can't believe you prefer the CTR there, but lots of other things, like Steering, seats, LSD, brakes, slighty more powerful engine, etc. Each to there own CTR for 4-5k is a good buy IMO.
An R32 Golf same MPG as a CTR? Are you sure you were putting the fuel in the CTR and not pouring it on the floor?
An R32 Golf same MPG as a CTR? Are you sure you were putting the fuel in the CTR and not pouring it on the floor?
daz4m said:
shibby! said:
Im going to go the other way here........
Hated it!!!!!!!
Hated more than anything on this planet! I even liked a Deisel Golf better than that car! I liked my Subaru which broke down every Monday better than the car.
To me.........
It felt cheap, the engine almost felt and drove like it was a plastic toy, i thought it was quite skittish (which is something i didnt expect), reliable enough..... i thought the get up and go was fairly decent below its 6k, and the vtec did come in well. I didnt think it drove particularly well.
I had an Mr2 turbo before that.... so its not like i was coming from some German Luxo barge before that and was spoilt with quality (although i do think the Mr2 is very well made)
What i would suggest instead is a good Evo 6 or the DC5 Integra.... Other options include a BMW 330ci clubsport, E36 M3.
Good luck anyway, why dont you go try a few.
So after saying all that you recommend a DC5. Very confused.Hated it!!!!!!!
Hated more than anything on this planet! I even liked a Deisel Golf better than that car! I liked my Subaru which broke down every Monday better than the car.
To me.........
It felt cheap, the engine almost felt and drove like it was a plastic toy, i thought it was quite skittish (which is something i didnt expect), reliable enough..... i thought the get up and go was fairly decent below its 6k, and the vtec did come in well. I didnt think it drove particularly well.
I had an Mr2 turbo before that.... so its not like i was coming from some German Luxo barge before that and was spoilt with quality (although i do think the Mr2 is very well made)
What i would suggest instead is a good Evo 6 or the DC5 Integra.... Other options include a BMW 330ci clubsport, E36 M3.
Good luck anyway, why dont you go try a few.
A nice E36 is a good shout though.
Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
bdgriffiths said:
AshBaldry said:
Just to add...don't let people tell you "yeah there useless before Vtec"
Or
"You need to redline them to get anywhere"
They perform IMHO,fine before 6,000RPM
Glad you said this as I was a little concerned that I wouldn't like the change from mid range grunt in the vrs. A friend had one and he said it was fine before VTEC but just came alive at the top end. Im seriously tempted as it offers me everything i wantOr
"You need to redline them to get anywhere"
They perform IMHO,fine before 6,000RPM
The seating position and gearchange were fantastic (loved that centre console gearshift) but the steering was s
te - felt like you were using playstation steering wheel.shibby! said:
Just known for being a better car........ plus the looks!
Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
Don't disagree, DC5 is the better car but many of your negatives on the Civic also apply the DC5, hence my point.Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
You've confused me even further now talking about focused cars and then suggesting a 330ci to the OP.
daz4m said:
shibby! said:
Just known for being a better car........ plus the looks!
Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
Don't disagree, DC5 is the better car but many of your negatives on the Civic also apply the DC5, hence my point.Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
You've confused me even further now talking about focused cars and then suggesting a 330ci to the OP.
I just quite liked the 330ci, with the clubsport being a bit more focused i suppose. I suggested it mainly as an alternative. Not really suggesting that he has to buy the most focused.
Normally i would suggest the M3... It would appear to be outside the price range.
The 330ci is just a good car in general. I liked mine, a lot!..... was just an alternative really!
I could suggest lots of things i prefer more than the EP3..... i just didnt like it. I do however have no experience with the DC5 and the DC2. So the comment on the DC5 is based mainly on reputation and those looks!!
shibby! said:
Just known for being a better car........ plus the looks!
Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
The JDM Ep3 also has LSD and more powerfull engine, so thats also worth a look.Its more powerfull has LSD and was built as a follow from the DC2 which was an excellent car. Iw would buy it purely for the looks!
Its more focued, to me you get what you pay for with the Integra Type R's...... the EP3 Civic's were too soft..... esp following the EK9 Civic's.
EP3 is an awesome car i had mine 2 years and only changed cause i needed more power and it would have meant spending alot on a n/a
The reliability, gearbox, handling, noise are all just superb, i think its one of them cars where it will always put a smile on your face its just a shame its "only" 200bhp as these days hot hatches are moving well on from that
The reliability, gearbox, handling, noise are all just superb, i think its one of them cars where it will always put a smile on your face its just a shame its "only" 200bhp as these days hot hatches are moving well on from that
danneth said:
EP3 is an awesome car i had mine 2 years and only changed cause i needed more power and it would have meant spending alot on a n/a
The reliability, gearbox, handling, noise are all just superb, i think its one of them cars where it will always put a smile on
your face its just a shame its "only" 200bhp as these days hot hatches are
moving well on from that
200bhp is plenty enough! The reliability, gearbox, handling, noise are all just superb, i think its one of them cars where it will always put a smile on
your face its just a shame its "only" 200bhp as these days hot hatches are
moving well on from that
If it ain't broke don't fix it I owned an EP3 for 5 years, and it's probably the best car I have ever owned. I tried several hot hatchs when trying to replace it, GTi Edition 30, VXR, Mk 2 Leon Cupra etc but I didn't find any of them as exciting to drive.
In the end I replaced it with an S2 Exige, fantastic car, but I really do miss the engine and gearbox of the EP3.
The only modification I made to my EP3 was a "fast road" geometry setup, this improved steering feel (often moaned about on the EP3) and sharpened up the handling.
In the 5 years and 50k I had the civic nothing went wrong and nothing rattled, main dealer servicing was reasonable, never more than £250, and the only other costs were tyres and brakes.
You can also get a good facelift EP3 for under £7k, no need to spend £9k.
One thing I would hold against the EP3 though, is it wouldn't make a great everyday car if you do a lot of motorway mileage, that's the only time I could have done with some more low down power.
In the end I replaced it with an S2 Exige, fantastic car, but I really do miss the engine and gearbox of the EP3.
The only modification I made to my EP3 was a "fast road" geometry setup, this improved steering feel (often moaned about on the EP3) and sharpened up the handling.
In the 5 years and 50k I had the civic nothing went wrong and nothing rattled, main dealer servicing was reasonable, never more than £250, and the only other costs were tyres and brakes.
You can also get a good facelift EP3 for under £7k, no need to spend £9k.
One thing I would hold against the EP3 though, is it wouldn't make a great everyday car if you do a lot of motorway mileage, that's the only time I could have done with some more low down power.
danneth said:
whats an extra 100-200 kgs though when your adding 60-100bhp...
How about it harming the handling, making them less involving, worsening fuel consumption, requiring bigger brakes, wheels and tyres, and being harder on them, which in turn makes them more expensive to run and giving worse ride quality, and finally after all that, not really being any faster as a result (note that the 0-100 time of the CTR is barely any worse than many of the fat hatches you talk about) .There's more to driving enjoyment than BHP figures.
Owned one for a few months, whilst a very competent car, I never really got along with it as I thought I might.
It was a love hate relationship, loved the car for B-road smashing, but hated the long trips down from Doncaster to Portsmouth to see my then girlfriend.
Spend about 1500 getting the air con fixed as the radiator is in a silly place according to the Honda dealer who did the work.
I don't know, I preferred the R32 I had.
It was a love hate relationship, loved the car for B-road smashing, but hated the long trips down from Doncaster to Portsmouth to see my then girlfriend.
Spend about 1500 getting the air con fixed as the radiator is in a silly place according to the Honda dealer who did the work.
I don't know, I preferred the R32 I had.
TameRacingDriver said:
How about it harming the handling, making them less involving, worsening fuel consumption, requiring bigger brakes, wheels and tyres, and being harder on them, which in turn makes them more expensive to run and giving worse ride quality, and finally after all that, not really being any faster as a result (note that the 0-100 time of the CTR is barely any worse than many of the fat hatches you talk about) .
There's more to driving enjoyment than BHP figures.
Good call!! There's more to driving enjoyment than BHP figures.
Allways fancied an ep3, never driven one though so I wouldnt like to comment. But as a passenger they feel great, great sound, plenty fast enough and the build quality is spot on!
bdgriffiths said:
chevronb37 said:
I ended up with two of them. First one I sold at 90k miles and it was only just starting to show its age. The clutch was on its way out but otherwise spot on - seats still supportive and pulled well. I had a Premier Edition after that and it was better again. Neither used a drop of oil or suffered any kind of mechanical malady. Took the second one as far as Spa and even a 10 hour day behind the wheel was fine. I wouldn't hesitate to have another if the situation arose.
Im looking at a premier one just love the recaros and seriously want A/CGrovsie26 said:
How can you slate the hell out of the CTR and then reccommend a DC5, or a 330Ci?
Hmmmmmmmm,
Because i thought it was sHmmmmmmmm,
t The 330ci is a good car...... i just like the look of the DC5 and heard it was supposed to be hardcore, and thought it was supposed to be much better (i did say i didnt have experience with the DC5 but did with both the TYpe R and 330)
But on the other hand i also suggested some other things like Evo 6 and E36 M3 which are also good cars!
Anyway good luck............. these cars seem to have a love them or hate them thing going with them.
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