RE: New tri-turbo BMW 550d to get 381hp, 516lb ft
Discussion
If I was an executive, and this car was on the list of company cars available to me, I can't think of anything else I'd have over it. (Assuming similar cars from different manufacturers.)
I have no idea what the tax treatment would be on it though, and I bet it's not too pretty.
Either way it would be a great car to have, as long as the cost of it going wrong was covered by someone else.
I don't think there will be many around in the used car market, but you'd need huge huge, Titanium "conkers" to buy one with 120,000 miles on the clock.
I have no idea what the tax treatment would be on it though, and I bet it's not too pretty.
Either way it would be a great car to have, as long as the cost of it going wrong was covered by someone else.
I don't think there will be many around in the used car market, but you'd need huge huge, Titanium "conkers" to buy one with 120,000 miles on the clock.
Nors said:
clonmult said:
Apparently on the E21 there was a 315, but with a 1.6.
Well remembered! There was indeed. I wonder if any still exist, they were quite rare even when available new.nickfrog said:
Robmarriott said:
500bhp is only a 31% increase in power, which is a common gain these days in turbodiesels!
Do you reckon the potential power gain is linear regardless of displacement ? 335d - 282bhp - I'm fairly sure 265bhp has been done, again 30%
VAG 2.0 TDi 140 - I know of several with 240bhp, that's what, 70% gained?
I'm confident that someone will manage to massage 500bhp from this.
Output Flange said:
Robmarriott said:
A whole load of sensible stuff until...
it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.
As diesels go, it sounds ok. Compared to a BMW straight six, it sounds rubbish.it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.
I'll agree with your other points though.
ksLike the sound of this, and am not generally a BMW fan. Have been toying with the idea of a fast estate, but struggling to find something that isn't crippling to run... Second hand options are:
RS4
RS6
S6
S4
M5
E55/63
C63
But there doesn't seem to be a suitably fast diesel option. Perhaps an E350 CDI or A6 3.0TDI, but still not sure those would cut it. Hence BMW seem to have found themselves a niche?
RS4
RS6
S6
S4
M5
E55/63
C63
But there doesn't seem to be a suitably fast diesel option. Perhaps an E350 CDI or A6 3.0TDI, but still not sure those would cut it. Hence BMW seem to have found themselves a niche?
Robmarriott said:
gushing over a potentially bland car that needs to up the ante from the previous model
You really aspire to one of these?????The mind boggles- BMW seem to have succeeded in engineering all the fun out of their mainstream cars and it would seem their longevity to boot. If it's actually fun to drive you might have a point. Other than that it seems to me to be just another in a long line of boring diesel 5ers.
Re: the tax thing for company user choosers given the likelyhood of it being a consumer durable rather than any sort of fun I imagine most will opt for a 530D as most of my colleagues have done and pocket the savings.
Robmarriott said:
500bhp is only a 31% increase in power, which is a common gain these days in turbodiesels!
P-torque safely tune the new 116d from 115hp to 180hp with a remap. These cars are severly de-tuned. 500hp wouldn't be suprising at all (awaits videos of Gallardo's covered in diesel fumes) 
(followed by petrol fanboys with pitchforks)I'd expect these to be very reliable cars, but when something does go wrong I would expect a very very big bill.
Robmarriott said:
Jesus Christ people need to get over this naming thing.
Are you the same people who said "that's not a proper RS, it's front wheel drive" about the new Focus RS? or do you moan about Mercedes' 6.2 litre 6.3 litre naming issue?
Here's some kleenex to wipe your tears away... http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id...
Anyway, back to the car, can't people just accept that it's going to be awesome?
I genuinely can't think of a better car, the touring will be fantastic, it looks great, it will go like stink, it'll have a great spec, loads of grip as it's 4 wheel drive and do decent MPG for a 380bhp car, it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.
With regards to the (slightly sarcastic) remap question, it stands to reason that it'll gain about 20% like most other diesel remaps (335d, 320d for example) so that'll make nigh on 460bhp and about 600lb/ft if not a little more.
Imagine it with a bigger intercooler and a better exhaust, you're looking at a 500bhp car which does 30mpg and can pull trees out of the ground while carrying 3 labradors and 4 passengers!
"Want" doesn't even come close!
30mpg? What planet are you living on? Are you the same people who said "that's not a proper RS, it's front wheel drive" about the new Focus RS? or do you moan about Mercedes' 6.2 litre 6.3 litre naming issue?
Here's some kleenex to wipe your tears away... http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id...
Anyway, back to the car, can't people just accept that it's going to be awesome?
I genuinely can't think of a better car, the touring will be fantastic, it looks great, it will go like stink, it'll have a great spec, loads of grip as it's 4 wheel drive and do decent MPG for a 380bhp car, it'll also sound great like BMW 6 cylinder diesels do.
With regards to the (slightly sarcastic) remap question, it stands to reason that it'll gain about 20% like most other diesel remaps (335d, 320d for example) so that'll make nigh on 460bhp and about 600lb/ft if not a little more.
Imagine it with a bigger intercooler and a better exhaust, you're looking at a 500bhp car which does 30mpg and can pull trees out of the ground while carrying 3 labradors and 4 passengers!
"Want" doesn't even come close!
Whats the point in this? Not only will a small NA petrol engine give you better fuel economy, it wont sound like a bag of nails, it wont cost an arm and a leg to run and it wont give you a massive bill the day the warranty runs out!
Infact no, i hope that loads of people get them, the rate we replace single turbos now this is gonna bring in a ton of work!
AngryPartsBloke said:
30mpg? What planet are you living on?
Whats the point in this? Not only will a small NA petrol engine give you better fuel economy, it wont sound like a bag of nails, it wont cost an arm and a leg to run and it wont give you a massive bill the day the warranty runs out!
Infact no, i hope that loads of people get them, the rate we replace single turbos now this is gonna bring in a ton of work!
My remapped 320d does 47mpg on a bad day, if this doesn't do 30mpg I'd be astounded.Whats the point in this? Not only will a small NA petrol engine give you better fuel economy, it wont sound like a bag of nails, it wont cost an arm and a leg to run and it wont give you a massive bill the day the warranty runs out!
Infact no, i hope that loads of people get them, the rate we replace single turbos now this is gonna bring in a ton of work!
Also, I wouldn't say the BMW diesel sixes sound like a bag of nails, far from it infact.
What planet are YOU living on?
dele said:
Name a mainstream car that's fun
I can think of a few but many aren't available in the UK market. It also depends what you mean by mainstream- a range topping 550D is hardly typical BMW fleet fodder so it should, by rights, be fantastic to drive. I suspect it won't be however 
E39 528i sport managed it.........although we're going back a bit there as did many other BMWs in the dark mists of time.
I think that's what disappoints me about BMW, I used to love them but am almost completely uninvolved when I get to drive them these days (other than the M cars which sadly I don't get to borrow as they aren't on our fleet)
Motorrad said:
Robmarriott said:
gushing over a potentially bland car that needs to up the ante from the previous model
You really aspire to one of these?????I don't aspire to own a useless supercar in some garish shade of tangerine which does 3 miles per gallon.
To me, a decent car is something which has everything, power, comfort, grip, toys, looks, the whole package.
To me, this will fit the bill.
EDIT - "needs to up the ante" Really? where is the 380bhp 4wd model in the E60 range? Where is the 560bhp twin turbo V8 which actually has some torque and mid range in the E60 range? I'm pretty sure it has in fact upped the ante...
Edited by Robmarriott on Thursday 24th November 10:30
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