RE: Google patents autonomous car mode
Discussion
sanctum said:
Just what's going ot happen when those "on-road bar codes" get dirty?
This is just a patent, because they thought of it and no one else has patented it yet, it's not representative of anything actually viable.
Personally I'd love to see all cars on the road automated, I love driving, but I hate getting wound up by inconsiderate people who treat the road as a cock-fight. Autonomous vehicles for the public roads, and greater access to track days for those of us who realy want to drive how god intended.
Cocks on the road is a small price to pay for the ability to take great pleasure in day-to-day driving. This is just a patent, because they thought of it and no one else has patented it yet, it's not representative of anything actually viable.
Personally I'd love to see all cars on the road automated, I love driving, but I hate getting wound up by inconsiderate people who treat the road as a cock-fight. Autonomous vehicles for the public roads, and greater access to track days for those of us who realy want to drive how god intended.
Lord Flathead said:
VPower said:
Well if it's anything like my works upgrade to Windows 7, the fekking thing will crash at least once a day!
However!!
I do like my reversing sensors that clever little computer thingy that detects old ladies who can see me revering into a parking spot but still feel they can walk straight into thw way.
I do like my ABS being a superfast computer that can react faster than I can.
Wish I had one of the littel bufggers on the car I skidded into the tree with a few years back!
I do like my EPS (as for ABS)
I love that engine management system computer system that adjusts all the parameters 1000 a SECOND!
I can remember when we had to manually adjust ignition advance/retard and use a choke!
And I fekking love my 6 speed ZF autobox!
All them ups and down the gears sitting on the M25 for 3 hours becasue I AM a MAN!!!
I think my left leg is now longer than it was before they invented the "Racing" clutch.
So computer driver aids that help me? Too right!
Oh dear..However!!
I do like my reversing sensors that clever little computer thingy that detects old ladies who can see me revering into a parking spot but still feel they can walk straight into thw way.
I do like my ABS being a superfast computer that can react faster than I can.
Wish I had one of the littel bufggers on the car I skidded into the tree with a few years back!
I do like my EPS (as for ABS)
I love that engine management system computer system that adjusts all the parameters 1000 a SECOND!
I can remember when we had to manually adjust ignition advance/retard and use a choke!
And I fekking love my 6 speed ZF autobox!
All them ups and down the gears sitting on the M25 for 3 hours becasue I AM a MAN!!!
I think my left leg is now longer than it was before they invented the "Racing" clutch.
So computer driver aids that help me? Too right!
I do like driver awareness that makes me look out for road hazards and pedestrians, and not to become reliant on an electronic buzzer or illuminated graphic on the dashboard.
I do like to feel what the car is doing via the weight and vibration on the steering wheel.
I do like my wheels to lock up when I'm not driving to the conditions because I want that sense of realism to keep my prepared should the worst happen, and not sit there praying that circuit 419 will deal with it all..
I do like the wheels to spin because I've not thought about how much power I'm trying to feed in.
I do like the front wheels to understeer a little so I know where the limits are to remind me in the wet.
I do like oversteer becuase it's a great way to go round a roundabout when no ones watching
I do like my heavy mechanical dog-leg box, it's a b
h to get right when changing quickly but when you do...I do like being a driver and not a computer operator sat behind the wheel of a car which has been designed by a machine for a machine.
Computer driver aids destroy everything that real driving is all about..
If only I was driving God like you!! Do you drive Morris 1000 Traveller 
But I'd rather avoid you to be honest!
DeadMeat_UK said:
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
Top stuff!! I can sleep through the boring schlep and be wide awake to drive the interesting bits
NO YOU CAN'T..THEY WON'T LET YOUHoly snot, why don't people think..?
king brain hurts, wearing that tinfoil hat all the time stops the air getting to it.Meaning, I can drive to a QR Code ON RAMP, say where I want to go. Take over again once I'm at the OFF RAMP that I want.
Makes a lot of sense.
My house. ~~~>~~~Fun wiggly bit~>~~~~[M25 J28 QR code on ramp]..>.. BORING s
t...>...[M5 J19 QR code off ramp]~>~~fun wiggly bit~>~~ Destination.What do you think it means?
If this gets off the ground, control freaks in government will make the whole process compulsory, not just the boring bits.
That's what governments do.
Get it now..?
They can't even switch off analogue TV without year and years and years of consultancy, public information just in case some poor unfortunate can't quite afford a modern TV.
They can't even outlaw people drinking alcohol, which is proven to kill people.
Stopping people having the freedom to pilot their own vehicle is so against "uman right innit" that they'll never ever ever manage to make it law in this country, yet alone America. There is no way they can even contemplate it until every single person who wants to drive can afford a self driving car. Which is a looooooooong way off, even if we ever get there. Certainly not in our (or probably our childrens) lifetime.
The tinfoil hat, I'm saving for the inevitability that we'll get compulsory "flight recorder" instrumentation (by government, or by ins premiums being so high without it being fitted that it becomes necessary).
And I didn't give a time frame. Denying your descendants something you cherish for yourself is a little selfish, isn't it?
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
mybrainhurts said:
DeadMeat_UK said:
Top stuff!! I can sleep through the boring schlep and be wide awake to drive the interesting bits
NO YOU CAN'T..THEY WON'T LET YOUHoly snot, why don't people think..?
king brain hurts, wearing that tinfoil hat all the time stops the air getting to it.Meaning, I can drive to a QR Code ON RAMP, say where I want to go. Take over again once I'm at the OFF RAMP that I want.
Makes a lot of sense.
My house. ~~~>~~~Fun wiggly bit~>~~~~[M25 J28 QR code on ramp]..>.. BORING s
t...>...[M5 J19 QR code off ramp]~>~~fun wiggly bit~>~~ Destination.What do you think it means?
If this gets off the ground, control freaks in government will make the whole process compulsory, not just the boring bits.
That's what governments do.
Get it now..?
They can't even switch off analogue TV without year and years and years of consultancy, public information just in case some poor unfortunate can't quite afford a modern TV.
They can't even outlaw people drinking alcohol, which is proven to kill people.
Stopping people having the freedom to pilot their own vehicle is so against "uman right innit" that they'll never ever ever manage to make it law in this country, yet alone America. There is no way they can even contemplate it until every single person who wants to drive can afford a self driving car. Which is a looooooooong way off, even if we ever get there. Certainly not in our (or probably our childrens) lifetime.
The tinfoil hat, I'm saving for the inevitability that we'll get compulsory "flight recorder" instrumentation (by government, or by ins premiums being so high without it being fitted that it becomes necessary).
And I didn't give a time frame. Denying your descendants something you cherish for yourself is a little selfish, isn't it?
So as far as i can tell, they have just patented the method of "destination data entry" (via the on road barcode (or wifi link etc etc). Surely this is the easy bit. After all, i can look at a MAP an decided pretty much immediately that i would like to go to say Swindon, but it's the actual method of getting there that is the hard bit!??
Also, what happen when people are in the wrong lane, not really concentrating, and suddenly they get wisked off to Swindon without warning? In fact, will we see a new wave of cyber criminals working for county councils who autonomously "suck" in innocent motorists to their otherwise dreary towns??
Shirley, it would be much, much easier to just say, type in a postcode when you get into the car to tell it where to go?
None of the issues with autonomous transport are really technical ones any longer, they are now all legal and society limits. (i.e. if the "system" crashes your car, who's liable and how do you prove who's liable etc)
Also, what happen when people are in the wrong lane, not really concentrating, and suddenly they get wisked off to Swindon without warning? In fact, will we see a new wave of cyber criminals working for county councils who autonomously "suck" in innocent motorists to their otherwise dreary towns??
Shirley, it would be much, much easier to just say, type in a postcode when you get into the car to tell it where to go?
None of the issues with autonomous transport are really technical ones any longer, they are now all legal and society limits. (i.e. if the "system" crashes your car, who's liable and how do you prove who's liable etc)
Efbe said:
There is no talk of communication between vehicles.
without this, automated cars are pointless. with this, drivers are pointless.
the ability of two automated cars to communicate enables them to drive millimeters from each other. roads would clear up, accidents would decrease, fatalities would increase by a long way. but this wouldn't work with drivered cars as well. one or the other. a combination would be lethal.
So, lots and lots of cars, travelling under automated control at high speed, milimeters from the car in front.without this, automated cars are pointless. with this, drivers are pointless.
the ability of two automated cars to communicate enables them to drive millimeters from each other. roads would clear up, accidents would decrease, fatalities would increase by a long way. but this wouldn't work with drivered cars as well. one or the other. a combination would be lethal.
Nothing can possibly go wrong
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Twincam16 said:
Efbe said:
There is no talk of communication between vehicles.
without this, automated cars are pointless. with this, drivers are pointless.
the ability of two automated cars to communicate enables them to drive millimeters from each other. roads would clear up, accidents would decrease, fatalities would increase by a long way. but this wouldn't work with drivered cars as well. one or the other. a combination would be lethal.
So, lots and lots of cars, travelling under automated control at high speed, milimeters from the car in front.without this, automated cars are pointless. with this, drivers are pointless.
the ability of two automated cars to communicate enables them to drive millimeters from each other. roads would clear up, accidents would decrease, fatalities would increase by a long way. but this wouldn't work with drivered cars as well. one or the other. a combination would be lethal.
Nothing can possibly go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
yes it can. but travelling very close is much safer than at distance. because there is no room between you, you can't create a speed difference.
running into the back of someone is hugely dangerous, because when you hit you are likely doing 15mph more than them.
and if all the cars are talking to each other, then they can all brake at the same time. but without drivers on the roads doing unexpected things, what do they need to brake heavily for?
and this is the issue. as an endpoint, it would work; yes i would hate it, but it would work well. but the interim of some automated, and some driven would be a lethal nightmare
Well, this depends on the purpose of my trip. If I'm doing a commute through town centres in stop-start traffic, I'd rather be able to snooze or play with my laptop than have to bugger about tap dancing the pedals continuously for 30 minutes. If I'm heading into the sticks, then I want full control so that I may drift every corner in a powerfully-built fashion.
mybrainhurts said:
Read the first post on this thread, then come back and tell me what you think...
Yes 100% agree this is the end of driving as we know itJust the same as Caterham, westfield, ginetta, noble, aerial, ultima and all the kitcar manufactuers was shutdown when ABS was brought into all cars in the EU
When I used to watch Knight Rider as a kid, I thought wow this is incredible but will never be a reality!
But now you can buy cars that have voice commands, even my bloody phone talks to me.. so how long before they couple this AUTOdrive thingy with some A.I. and we end up with a real KITT?? If they can retro fit in to an 82 Trans Am, I'm in!
But now you can buy cars that have voice commands, even my bloody phone talks to me.. so how long before they couple this AUTOdrive thingy with some A.I. and we end up with a real KITT?? If they can retro fit in to an 82 Trans Am, I'm in!
Efbe said:
Twincam16 said:
Efbe said:
There is no talk of communication between vehicles.
without this, automated cars are pointless. with this, drivers are pointless.
the ability of two automated cars to communicate enables them to drive millimeters from each other. roads would clear up, accidents would decrease, fatalities would increase by a long way. but this wouldn't work with drivered cars as well. one or the other. a combination would be lethal.
So, lots and lots of cars, travelling under automated control at high speed, milimeters from the car in front.without this, automated cars are pointless. with this, drivers are pointless.
the ability of two automated cars to communicate enables them to drive millimeters from each other. roads would clear up, accidents would decrease, fatalities would increase by a long way. but this wouldn't work with drivered cars as well. one or the other. a combination would be lethal.
Nothing can possibly go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
...go wrong
yes it can. but travelling very close is much safer than at distance. because there is no room between you, you can't create a speed difference.
running into the back of someone is hugely dangerous, because when you hit you are likely doing 15mph more than them.
and if all the cars are talking to each other, then they can all brake at the same time. but without drivers on the roads doing unexpected things, what do they need to brake heavily for?
and this is the issue. as an endpoint, it would work; yes i would hate it, but it would work well. but the interim of some automated, and some driven would be a lethal nightmare
At the moment, if you're driving your own car and you happen upon a traffic jam, you can find an alternative route. If something goes wrong and all the streetlights switch themselves off, you just turn your headlights to a higher setting.
Problem with things like this is that they leave large numbers of people at the whim of one large system that, due to its size, complexity and need for maintenance, would actually be quite frequently and easily disabled. Automating the roads would result in the kind of problems that currently knock out the railways in one fell swoop leaving hundreds stranded at the station and giving advantage-1 to the car, being applied to the car.
And then there'd be no escape from public transport cock-ups, even in private transport.
anything fast said:
When I used to watch Knight Rider as a kid, I thought wow this is incredible but will never be a reality!
But now you can buy cars that have voice commands, even my bloody phone talks to me.. so how long before they couple this AUTOdrive thingy with some A.I. and we end up with a real KITT?? If they can retro fit in to an 82 Trans Am, I'm in!
"Please state destination."But now you can buy cars that have voice commands, even my bloody phone talks to me.. so how long before they couple this AUTOdrive thingy with some A.I. and we end up with a real KITT?? If they can retro fit in to an 82 Trans Am, I'm in!
"Epsom."
"I think you said, 'East Berlin'. Please confirm."
"NO! EPSOM!"
"Thank you. Doors locked. Driving to East Berlin."
RemainAllHoof said:
anything fast said:
When I used to watch Knight Rider as a kid, I thought wow this is incredible but will never be a reality!
But now you can buy cars that have voice commands, even my bloody phone talks to me.. so how long before they couple this AUTOdrive thingy with some A.I. and we end up with a real KITT?? If they can retro fit in to an 82 Trans Am, I'm in!
"Please state destination."But now you can buy cars that have voice commands, even my bloody phone talks to me.. so how long before they couple this AUTOdrive thingy with some A.I. and we end up with a real KITT?? If they can retro fit in to an 82 Trans Am, I'm in!
"Epsom."
"I think you said, 'East Berlin'. Please confirm."
"NO! EPSOM!"
"Thank you. Doors locked. Driving to East Berlin."
I rather like the idea.
It's a given that a forum full of people enthusiastic about cars and driving are going to piss and moan when something comes along which challenges the fundamentals of their chosen passion or hobby.
This, like EVs, public transport, and bicycles, is just an alternative approach to achieving the same outcome of getting from A to B, a fork of the original project if you like. I see scope for both to exist. Think beyond PH and you'll realise there's millions of people who see it as nothing short of an unproductive inconvenience which they'd gladly surrender in a heartbeat for a more efficient transport method. To me it's an idea worth pursuing, I'd far rather trundle along the commute in automated automotive isolation, than suffer the train or bus in communal misery with the great unwashed.
Plus, there's no shortage of people out there who'd probably be a damn sight safer on the roads if they were removed from the decision making process. Of this, I also approve.
Google are doing some really interesting stuff lately, their augmented reality sat nav thingy project looks great too, and hey, their ethos is don't be evil, what's the worst that could happen?
It's a given that a forum full of people enthusiastic about cars and driving are going to piss and moan when something comes along which challenges the fundamentals of their chosen passion or hobby.
This, like EVs, public transport, and bicycles, is just an alternative approach to achieving the same outcome of getting from A to B, a fork of the original project if you like. I see scope for both to exist. Think beyond PH and you'll realise there's millions of people who see it as nothing short of an unproductive inconvenience which they'd gladly surrender in a heartbeat for a more efficient transport method. To me it's an idea worth pursuing, I'd far rather trundle along the commute in automated automotive isolation, than suffer the train or bus in communal misery with the great unwashed.
Plus, there's no shortage of people out there who'd probably be a damn sight safer on the roads if they were removed from the decision making process. Of this, I also approve.
Google are doing some really interesting stuff lately, their augmented reality sat nav thingy project looks great too, and hey, their ethos is don't be evil, what's the worst that could happen?
So, am I right in thinking that a picture in the road will tell the car where to go - presumably until it gets to the next picture in the road which punts the car on to it's next iterative step of the journey?
If this is indeed the case, a whole new world of graffiti related entertainment could be opened up by changing the pictures
This works in my head, but the internal workings of my brain are a strange and simplistic place
If this is indeed the case, a whole new world of graffiti related entertainment could be opened up by changing the pictures
This works in my head, but the internal workings of my brain are a strange and simplistic place
markoc said:
So, am I right in thinking that a picture in the road will tell the car where to go - presumably until it gets to the next picture in the road which punts the car on to it's next iterative step of the journey?
If this is indeed the case, a whole new world of graffiti related entertainment could be opened up by changing the pictures
This works in my head, but the internal workings of my brain are a strange and simplistic place
It would have to be transponders... the current road markings are often illegible and they're just lines. Can't imagine a QR code being readable after a month of lorries going over it. If this is indeed the case, a whole new world of graffiti related entertainment could be opened up by changing the pictures
This works in my head, but the internal workings of my brain are a strange and simplistic place
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