pre 1980 cars with less than 1.3L

[ruff'n'smov]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Buy a cheap modern car. With respect, most of the stuff in your list will be hopeless old rubbish and, amongst other things, have the crash performance of a paper bag.

If you talk the insurer about your situation they will almost certainly be able to tell you their list of low premium-rated vehicles.

Seriously - Beetle, Imp, Herald and many others belong only in Jurassic Park. They were probably considered pretty hopeless 40 years ago!

+1.

Listen to the sage OP. I had an Imp in 1983.I drove a Allegro too and various other stuff they were all hopeless 30 years ago

[TinyCappo]

isnt your first car supposed to be slow and hopeless though?

[Lost soul]

rallycross said:

Alfa Sud 1.2/1.3
Alfa Sprint 1300
Lancia Beta Coupe 1300 twin cam
Fiat 127 Sport 1040 71 bhp or 1400cc (GT 75 bhp)

[Edmundo2]

ruff'n'smov said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Buy a cheap modern car. With respect, most of the stuff in your list will be hopeless old rubbish and, amongst other things, have the crash performance of a paper bag.

If you talk the insurer about your situation they will almost certainly be able to tell you their list of low premium-rated vehicles.

Seriously - Beetle, Imp, Herald and many others belong only in Jurassic Park. They were probably considered pretty hopeless 40 years ago!

+1.

Listen to the sage OP. I had an Imp in 1983.I drove a Allegro too and various other stuff they were all hopeless 30 years ago

Bog standard old cars may well feel old but with a bit of jiggery pockery can be made to go well!

IMHO Imp's are wonderfull things and in fast road/race trim will give any 1ltr modern something to worry about + be twice as much fun to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtdK7R0fHo&fea...

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/6512137

[Lost soul]

Edmundo2 said:

IMHO Imp's are wonderfull things and in fast road/race trim will give any 1ltr modern something to worry about + be twice as much fun to boot!

the thing is they do not even have to be fast to be fun , i had an old Mini 850 years ago and it was an absolute hoot to drive

[TinyCappo]

what about something from the Kei car family? small turbo engines = big fun and small premiums

[EDLT]

Edmundo2 said:

ruff'n'smov said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Buy a cheap modern car. With respect, most of the stuff in your list will be hopeless old rubbish and, amongst other things, have the crash performance of a paper bag.

If you talk the insurer about your situation they will almost certainly be able to tell you their list of low premium-rated vehicles.

Seriously - Beetle, Imp, Herald and many others belong only in Jurassic Park. They were probably considered pretty hopeless 40 years ago!

+1.

Listen to the sage OP. I had an Imp in 1983.I drove a Allegro too and various other stuff they were all hopeless 30 years ago

Bog standard old cars may well feel old but with a bit of jiggery pockery can be made to go well!

IMHO Imp's are wonderfull things and in fast road/race trim will give any 1ltr modern something to worry about + be twice as much fun to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtdK7R0fHo&fea...

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/6512137

I knew they were slow, but do they need to be in race trim before it can 'worry' a modern 1ltr hatchback?

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd rather have the car that just works even if it doesn't have soul/character/any of that other bks people attach to unreliable cars.

[dm46]

maxda rx8 is a 1.3

[EDLT]

dm46 said:

maxda rx8 is a 1.3

And insurance companies are run by morons.

[Edmundo2]

EDLT said:

Edmundo2 said:

ruff'n'smov said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Buy a cheap modern car. With respect, most of the stuff in your list will be hopeless old rubbish and, amongst other things, have the crash performance of a paper bag.

If you talk the insurer about your situation they will almost certainly be able to tell you their list of low premium-rated vehicles.

Seriously - Beetle, Imp, Herald and many others belong only in Jurassic Park. They were probably considered pretty hopeless 40 years ago!

+1.

Listen to the sage OP. I had an Imp in 1983.I drove a Allegro too and various other stuff they were all hopeless 30 years ago

Bog standard old cars may well feel old but with a bit of jiggery pockery can be made to go well!

IMHO Imp's are wonderfull things and in fast road/race trim will give any 1ltr modern something to worry about + be twice as much fun to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtdK7R0fHo&fea...

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/6512137

I knew they were slow, but do they need to be in race trim before it can 'worry' a modern 1ltr hatchback?

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd rather have the car that just works even if it doesn't have soul/character/any of that other bks people attach to unreliable cars.

The very essence of pistonheads! You'd prefer to drive something devoid of soul and character? Each to their own but O/P seems to be of another persuasian.

Ref "worrying a modern 1ltr" I should think a fast road imp or classic mini would wipe the floor with most modern sub 1ltr hatchbacks due to a huge weight( lack of ) advantage.

Edited by Edmundo2 on Saturday 28th April 21:45

[EDLT]

Edmundo2 said:

EDLT said:

Edmundo2 said:

ruff'n'smov said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Buy a cheap modern car. With respect, most of the stuff in your list will be hopeless old rubbish and, amongst other things, have the crash performance of a paper bag.

If you talk the insurer about your situation they will almost certainly be able to tell you their list of low premium-rated vehicles.

Seriously - Beetle, Imp, Herald and many others belong only in Jurassic Park. They were probably considered pretty hopeless 40 years ago!

+1.

Listen to the sage OP. I had an Imp in 1983.I drove a Allegro too and various other stuff they were all hopeless 30 years ago

Bog standard old cars may well feel old but with a bit of jiggery pockery can be made to go well!

IMHO Imp's are wonderfull things and in fast road/race trim will give any 1ltr modern something to worry about + be twice as much fun to boot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFtdK7R0fHo&fea...

http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/6512137

I knew they were slow, but do they need to be in race trim before it can 'worry' a modern 1ltr hatchback?

Maybe I'm getting old, but I'd rather have the car that just works even if it doesn't have soul/character/any of that other bks people attach to unreliable cars.

The very essence of pistonheads! You'd prefer to drive something devoid of soul and character? Each to their own but O/P seems to be of another persuasian.

Ref "worrying a modern 1ltr" I should think a fast road imp or classic mini would wipe the floor with most modern sub 1ltr hatchbacks due to a huge weight( lack of ) advantage.

Edited by Edmundo2 on Saturday 28th April 21:45

No car has a soul or character, they are both euphemisms for "I like it because of the badge" which, ironically, is the essence of PH these days.

[Raize]

Nothing says "petrolhead who enjoys his cars and is willing to make some compromises in order to drive something that is a bit interesting" like a CORSA ONE LITRE!

[fluffnik]

EDLT said:

I knew they were slow, but do they need to be in race trim before it can 'worry' a modern 1ltr hatchback?

Imps can remain tractable when tuned, the motor is a gem.

Discs, decamber, DCOEs and Dremel...

[EDLT]

fluffnik said:

EDLT said:

I knew they were slow, but do they need to be in race trim before it can 'worry' a modern 1ltr hatchback?

Imps can remain tractable when tuned, the motor is a gem.

Discs, decamber, DCOEs and Dremel...

I'm sure you can make them fast if you spend enough money, I was asking if they really need all that just to 'worry' a hatchback that takes 12-13 seconds to hit 60mph.

[jack01825]

Ozzie Osmond said:

I'm staggered if insurers are recommending you into a 22-year old car, or older.

Also, insofar as you mention trackdays I'm pretty confident insurers will go ballistic as soon as modifications come into the frame.

yer i will be waiting a couple of years for that

[jack01825]

vixen1700 said:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIte...

Here's a '79 1300 Viva with full service history.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1978-CITROEN-GS-CLUB-122...

Bit more expensive, but how about a Citroen GS?

Edited by vixen1700 on Saturday 28th April 14:30

cheers m8 but that citroes is defo not my tatse, and i like the viva but i would rather a hb than a hc

[jack01825]

Raize said:

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/scim...

Prepare for a nice surprise with the insurance on these. They also come in 1.6 (reasonably quick) and 1.8 (very quick) versions, but obviously those cost more for insurance - but if you can stretch to the 1.6 I'd definitely go for that.

1987 is still classic enough right?

got a quote for 3k so a bit over my budget

[fluffnik]

EDLT said:

fluffnik said:

Discs, decamber, DCOEs and Dremel...

I'm sure you can make them fast if you spend enough money, I was asking if they really need all that just to 'worry' a hatchback that takes 12-13 seconds to hit 60mph.

You can tune an Imp with craft skills rather than money, a little light porting and a dual choke carb should keep you with the moderns, 185/60R13s are big fat tyres and a decambered and disc front end should cost no more than discs and pads for a whitegood...

[AnotherClarkey]

I would go for an MG Metro, the mintest you can find. More practical than a Mini, fun to punt about (well regarded in contemporary tests) and lots of cheap spares.

[jack01825]

rallycross said:

The difficult part will be finding one of these that is not rotten, so the only viable one will be the Golf or Polo they were built really well so you should find one that has survived.

Golf mk`1 1300 driver would be a good car to start modifying.
The Polo's were ok not as good as the Golf.
VW's from this period were very spartan inside, eg rubber mats instead of carpets and bare dashboards.

Most of the cars on your list were already rotten 20 yrs ago when I was buying them so it wont be easy.

If we could go back in time before they all rotted away I would add these to your list

Alfa Sud 1.2/1.3
Alfa Sprint 1300
Lancia Beta Coupe 1300 twin cam
Fiat 127 Sport 1040 71 bhp or 1400cc (GT 75 bhp)
Honda Civic 1.2 (these were awesome little things)
Fiat 128 3p hatch
Fiesta 1300 sport/supersport (70 bhp)
Escort Mk2 1300 sport
Capri 1300 (had one of these in battle ship grey its was so slow but it was still a Capri - so I thought it was cool!)
Mazda 323 rwd (might have been 1500cc not 1300cc)
MG Midget

Edited by rallycross on Saturday 28th April 19:20

Edited by rallycross on Saturday 28th April 19:22

thanks for thid :-)