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I get 30mpg outta mine, and I do s
tty short journeys on urban routes through towns, never touch motorways. The 182 cup is certainly alive and definitely not too refined, throws me all over the place on crappy roads!
Have found the running costs to be fine, had nothing major go wrong. Only 60k on the clock though.
tty short journeys on urban routes through towns, never touch motorways. The 182 cup is certainly alive and definitely not too refined, throws me all over the place on crappy roads!Have found the running costs to be fine, had nothing major go wrong. Only 60k on the clock though.
steve singh said:
Thanks for the responses - really appreciated.
The MPG is a bit of killer - that's like a M3 - sounds very low !
Makes it a tough one - just wanted something FWD to do the station run in and surprised when I saw how cheap the 182 was...but with that MPG could easily get a scooby (ignorning the theft risk) for a little bit more and have a lot more poke ?
Any of these cars doing 25mpg is broken or is being driven hard all the time. In daily driving I would struggle to get that if I really tried to with other cars around holding me up. On a run at 70mph they will get over 40mpg (actual, not trip computer). Day to day I get 35mpg (actual again).The MPG is a bit of killer - that's like a M3 - sounds very low !
Makes it a tough one - just wanted something FWD to do the station run in and surprised when I saw how cheap the 182 was...but with that MPG could easily get a scooby (ignorning the theft risk) for a little bit more and have a lot more poke ?
Buy on condition, good history, and get a standard car and you should get a really nice one for £3000.
TameRacingDriver said:
It was a "dog" that had a full service history, low mileage, excellent body work and a relatively recent cambelt, though.
What went wrong with it? It seems there are two camps of owners: the people who own cars like mine that have been faultless or ones like yours that are complete money pits. There appears to be no middle ground.Edited by RenOHH on Monday 12th November 21:44
The other thing is you can get a nice 172 for 2k and at that money they really are a bargain even if you got unlucky and had to blow 1k on repairs or something silly the cambelt costs about £500 - £600 so unless you brought an utter lemon would not cost you more than 1k in repairs in a year and then a lot less after that. Mine has cost me £40 so far and may need two tyres soon...
The equivalent car would be a civic type r which would cost double the price and in the real world would not be any faster. For £1700 I picked up a 140mph car that does 0-60 in 7 seconds is good on a track, fun to drive and comes with xenon headlights, electric windows and mirrors, half leather seats, climate control and central locking etc...
And it does 40mpg and it is a hoot to drive I really cant see me selling it as would have to spend a hell of a lot more money for something that suits me a lot better.
Downside is yes the cambelt at £600 and tax is pricey at £250 also the driving position takes getting used to and the gearbox is not the sweetest by any means however overall as a package for sub 2k they are very very hard to beat.
I live in the Walsall area in the midlands near yourself (some weekends anyway) welcome for me to take you a spin in mine but by no means is it the best looking example at the moment due to someone driving into it mentioned earlier on in the thread...
The equivalent car would be a civic type r which would cost double the price and in the real world would not be any faster. For £1700 I picked up a 140mph car that does 0-60 in 7 seconds is good on a track, fun to drive and comes with xenon headlights, electric windows and mirrors, half leather seats, climate control and central locking etc...
And it does 40mpg and it is a hoot to drive I really cant see me selling it as would have to spend a hell of a lot more money for something that suits me a lot better.
Downside is yes the cambelt at £600 and tax is pricey at £250 also the driving position takes getting used to and the gearbox is not the sweetest by any means however overall as a package for sub 2k they are very very hard to beat.
I live in the Walsall area in the midlands near yourself (some weekends anyway) welcome for me to take you a spin in mine but by no means is it the best looking example at the moment due to someone driving into it mentioned earlier on in the thread...
steve singh said:
Hi all...
Just some questions around Clio 182...
You can apparently get a 182 on a 2004 with 85k on the clock for around £2-3k.
That seems like quite good value for money.
My questions are...
1) Does anybody have real life experience of MPG ?
2) Does it come with a 3rd seat belt in the rear as standard (couldn't see it on some pics?)
3) Is the car typically going to represent a money pit due to high mileaage - or are these clio's quite robust?
Thanks in advance.
They have a 3 point seatbelt for middle rear passenger.Just some questions around Clio 182...
You can apparently get a 182 on a 2004 with 85k on the clock for around £2-3k.
That seems like quite good value for money.
My questions are...
1) Does anybody have real life experience of MPG ?
2) Does it come with a 3rd seat belt in the rear as standard (couldn't see it on some pics?)
3) Is the car typically going to represent a money pit due to high mileaage - or are these clio's quite robust?
Thanks in advance.
My old mans 172 ph quick returns 36-37 mixed driving, (by mixed I mean a few spirited launches, hard through corners and cruising between 85-100 on motorway, he drove me back from Peckham last night and that journey returned 36.9, hammersmith flyover to the front door in under an hour and a half) but then he commutes over 30 miles every day in it so it warms up properly and it is serviced like few others. On 188000 miles now. We swapped the engine and gearbox for fresher items at circa 167k (low compression cyl 3, made 159bhp on dyno, had proven 150lb/ft 172bhp engine and box for £800, fitted by me and him as a nice father son thing). It returned 8mpg at an airfield sprint day.
My 1.6 16v megane will return 38mpg at high motorway speeds, so -1 to 2 mpg for the extra power in shell that weighs roughly similar.
Most importantly the ph1 172s are the 2nd lightest of all the range, IIRC its 14kg heavier then a 172cup, but has the abs etc of the later 'heavy' versions.
The seats are comfortable, the driving position isnt as awkward as people make out (I am 6'1 and have no trouble with the pedals), ph1's benefit from an Alpine cd changer, shame the stereo isnt very powerful, . My old man swears by Michilin Exaltos on his.
However...
Faded steering wheels are standard fit and really let the interior down.
They will rattle from unreachable places.
Alot of renaults of this vintage can occasionally stall themselves after starting, you'll sometimes start it up and the idle will drop to below 500rpm and if will very occasionally drop even further and stall in neutral. Despite this in 150'000 miles my Dads 172 has never broken down.
When we did the swap he had to buy a 2nd car, he was looking at 172/182 ph 2's at similar money to what you've seen examples at. All of them dogs, if its not dodgy suspension mods and chav backboxes its tatty bodywork at the higher end prices, it mades his ph1 look like a Renault museum peice by comparison. Trade and private were as bad as each other in that respect.
Dont go near any with any form of suspension tuning, it ruins the car. Cup dampers on non cup cars screws the alignment up beyond being able to put it right, Eibach springs dont last all that long, and are the only aftermarket springs that retain a similar feel to the stock set up.
They should all have a Stainless Steel cat back systems by now, avoid the brands available in demon tweeks etc. They are not very tunable in terms of liberating ponies without spending big money.
Edited by KM666 on Monday 12th November 23:07
Thanks for the well thought through comments.
I'm going to have a little think about this - on the face of it the 182 ticks all the boxes for a station runner.
In all honesty the crux is, I'm worried about buying a "french" petrol car with 85k on the clock and suffering from silly MPG (I've got a 996 and E46 M3 already - though the plan is to move the 996 on) - so just need to do some additional research on renault specific forums as some contradictory information has been posted.
PS I've read some of the blogs on here from the various posters and that was useful (apologies I cannot remember which poster it was - but there was a particular in-depth blog which covered the emotional journey of buying two clios over a period of time!)
ETA: I'm also now thinking about the MK1 MX5 - japanese reliability and cheap tyres / parts enabling me to take onto drifitng / handling days???
I'm going to have a little think about this - on the face of it the 182 ticks all the boxes for a station runner.
In all honesty the crux is, I'm worried about buying a "french" petrol car with 85k on the clock and suffering from silly MPG (I've got a 996 and E46 M3 already - though the plan is to move the 996 on) - so just need to do some additional research on renault specific forums as some contradictory information has been posted.
PS I've read some of the blogs on here from the various posters and that was useful (apologies I cannot remember which poster it was - but there was a particular in-depth blog which covered the emotional journey of buying two clios over a period of time!)
ETA: I'm also now thinking about the MK1 MX5 - japanese reliability and cheap tyres / parts enabling me to take onto drifitng / handling days???
Edited by steve singh on Tuesday 13th November 11:29
RenOHH said:
What went wrong with it? It seems there are two camps of owners: the people who own cars like mine that have been faultless or ones like yours that are complete money pits. There appears to be no middle ground.
ExhaustDephaser (so cambelt and ancillaries needed doing at the same time)
Brake pads
Shock absorbers
Springs
Windscreen wiper mechanism
Throttle body
Brake pipes
Radiator and finally... headgasket. I gave up at that point.
That was in addition to 4 new tyres and a full service.
Expensive amount of repairs in 3 months.
300bhp/ton said:
Do you know what changes were made to the 182 to make it more dull?
In comparison to the Phase 1 172, the Phase 2 and then 182 models have a different airbox (quieter), and weigh about 100 kg more, and somehow just feel more refined and lack the raw sensation of speed the original car had. Also the Phase 1 had 15" alloys instead of 16".TameRacingDriver said:
RenOHH said:
What went wrong with it? It seems there are two camps of owners: the people who own cars like mine that have been faultless or ones like yours that are complete money pits. There appears to be no middle ground.
ExhaustDephaser (so cambelt and ancillaries needed doing at the same time)
Brake pads
Shock absorbers
Springs
Windscreen wiper mechanism
Throttle body
Brake pipes
Radiator and finally... headgasket. I gave up at that point.
That was in addition to 4 new tyres and a full service.
Expensive amount of repairs in 3 months.
the stigs dad said:
TameRacingDriver said:
RenOHH said:
What went wrong with it? It seems there are two camps of owners: the people who own cars like mine that have been faultless or ones like yours that are complete money pits. There appears to be no middle ground.
ExhaustDephaser (so cambelt and ancillaries needed doing at the same time)
Brake pads
Shock absorbers
Springs
Windscreen wiper mechanism
Throttle body
Brake pipes
Radiator and finally... headgasket. I gave up at that point.
That was in addition to 4 new tyres and a full service.
Expensive amount of repairs in 3 months.
Do tell me, what do you drive?
th85 said:
jimbobsimmonds said:
That is as bad, if not worse, than my T5. Which is lugging round more weight all of the time and has another 130bhp...
How?
I never saw this in mine, the T5 in my ST is much thirstier. Worst I got was about 24 and this was when it was overdue a service, found after an oil change it improved by about 4/5 to the gallon. Bolton to Dover was 39mpg including getting stuck on the M25.How?
I have experience of 5 172/182's and never saw as low as 20.
steve singh said:
Thanks for the well thought through comments.
I'm going to have a little think about this - on the face of it the 182 ticks all the boxes for a station runner.
In all honesty the crux is, I'm worried about buying a "french" petrol car with 85k on the clock and suffering from silly MPG (I've got a 996 and E46 M3 already - though the plan is to move the 996 on) - so just need to do some additional research on renault specific forums as some contradictory information has been posted.
PS I've read some of the blogs on here from the various posters and that was useful (apologies I cannot remember which poster it was - but there was a particular in-depth blog which covered the emotional journey of buying two clios over a period of time!)
ETA: I'm also now thinking about the MK1 MX5 - japanese reliability and cheap tyres / parts enabling me to take onto drifitng / handling days???
Watch for rust on a Mk1 MX-5 and at that age budget for refreshing the suspension.I'm going to have a little think about this - on the face of it the 182 ticks all the boxes for a station runner.
In all honesty the crux is, I'm worried about buying a "french" petrol car with 85k on the clock and suffering from silly MPG (I've got a 996 and E46 M3 already - though the plan is to move the 996 on) - so just need to do some additional research on renault specific forums as some contradictory information has been posted.
PS I've read some of the blogs on here from the various posters and that was useful (apologies I cannot remember which poster it was - but there was a particular in-depth blog which covered the emotional journey of buying two clios over a period of time!)
ETA: I'm also now thinking about the MK1 MX5 - japanese reliability and cheap tyres / parts enabling me to take onto drifitng / handling days???
Edited by steve singh on Tuesday 13th November 11:29
Also mpg is terrible in them for the power 25-28mpg, maybe 30 on a run if you are very good.
doogz said:
jimbobsimmonds said:
That is as bad, if not worse, than my T5. Which is lugging round more weight all of the time and has another 130bhp...
How?
Which part? Or both?How?
The urban figure, I'd just filled up and pulled out into traffic, and reset the trip computer. On the motorway, dunno. It was geared pretty short, but even at that, I'm told it should have been better than it was.
Generally, rubbish car. Should never have bought it.
300bhp/ton said:
Watch for rust on a Mk1 MX-5 and at that age budget for refreshing the suspension.
Also mpg is terrible in them for the power 25-28mpg, maybe 30 on a run if you are very good.
MPG figures out really- The 1.8 averaged about 30mpg in my ownership, 36/37 on a run, and that's in a 1.8. 1.6 is slightly more economical. There's a thread in the MX-5 second on these. Agreed the figures aren't good for 130ish bhp.Also mpg is terrible in them for the power 25-28mpg, maybe 30 on a run if you are very good.
There's a reason there are a lot more 20+ year old Japanese cars on the road, than there are French ones
StoatInACoat said:
Mine on the other hand has done 20k in 16 months and been fine. I've had several French cars and currently own two. None have had any serious issues. Or are you simply trolling?
Do tell me, what do you drive?
I'm not trolling; infact I have owned several frog motors over the years but although they have handled well/been "drivers" cars they all fell apart and were unreliable despite correct servicing/maintenance. Do tell me, what do you drive?
Atm I drive a golf v6 4motion (heavily modified) and think my next car purchase will be a honda nsx.
TameRacingDriver said:
stuff
Some of this could have been avoidable though.Exhaust - What went wrong? Did you check it out before buying it?
Dephaser (so cambelt and ancillaries needed doing at the same time) - Could have been checked from the history of the car and doing research. But on the flip side mine is on it's original dephaser so they can go on for a long time.
Brake pads - Should have checked them before buying.
Shock absorbers - Did they actually fail? Were they proper Renault ones?
Springs - Same question.
Windscreen wiper mechanism - Fine.
Throttle body - Fine.
Brake pipes - Don't doubt you changed them, but these broke? If so, wow.
Radiator and finally... headgasket. - Ouch.
You were unlucky for this all to happen at once, but to then get rid of it after doing all this work wasn't a good choice. I bet whoever bought it off you had a brilliant time with all those new bits.
P.S I'm not trying to make excuses for the cars as it may look like I'm being biased. I'm just saying that it's entirely possible to buy a car where the previous owner has done nothing to maintain it (the brakes, shocks, springs, exhaust), and then you get everything come at you at once. For the rest of the things on that list, I admit that is quite bad.
Edited by RenOHH on Tuesday 13th November 17:20
My wife manages around 25mpg in heavy town traffic in hers but it will do up to 40mpg for me on my 15 mile run up the M40 to work.
Great fun little cars and generally reliable I believe despite dubious build quality.
Ours is up for sale soon too - 3 doors are becoming a bit of a pain with the little one. I'd be happy with £3k for our 2004 47k miler if that gives you an idea of prices.
Great fun little cars and generally reliable I believe despite dubious build quality.
Ours is up for sale soon too - 3 doors are becoming a bit of a pain with the little one. I'd be happy with £3k for our 2004 47k miler if that gives you an idea of prices.
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