Aygo or fiesta? 3.5k to spend..
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gizlaroc said:
Why is it out of these two cars by the way?
I had an A3 2.0tdi sport back in 2004 and although it was no where near as good as our 1 series as a bit dull, it averaged 49mpg and would see mid 60's on a steady run at 70mph.
My brother has just bought an 04 plate one that is mint with 85k miles on it, 2.0tdi sport, with leather and bose and paid £3400 for that.
That is in a different league altogether than an Aygo and for motorway work will beat it on comfort and mpg.
Cheap tax, insurance and low fuel costs. Had diesels and suffered from DMF, clutch etcI had an A3 2.0tdi sport back in 2004 and although it was no where near as good as our 1 series as a bit dull, it averaged 49mpg and would see mid 60's on a steady run at 70mph.
My brother has just bought an 04 plate one that is mint with 85k miles on it, 2.0tdi sport, with leather and bose and paid £3400 for that.
That is in a different league altogether than an Aygo and for motorway work will beat it on comfort and mpg.
I love our C1, it is far more capable than thought it would be but a fiesta is a class up and I expect better on motorways, though I think the C1 copes fine and will cruise illegally all day and it isn't terrifying, though I think the Fiesta would be more in its, and your comfort zone for longer, faster journeys.
We've got an Aygo as the second car and it's a nice little car, cheap to tax and insure and hasn't given us any problems. My girlfriend drives rural backroads daily as part of her job but it's also done a good few 100+ mile weekend motorway runs and is more than capable.
Might be worth googling 'Aygo clutch problems' for some background info on another common problem with the Aygo/C1/107. Our Aygo is coming up to about 30000 miles and is showing signs of needing a replacement clutch now, don't think it's a particularly expensive job though. Newer Aygos were fitted with the ø190mm clutch from the Yaris which apparently improved the wear problems. I suspect ours dates from just before the change and has the older ø180mm clutch although seemingly there's no way to tell without removing it in which case it makes sense just to stick a new clutch back in anyway.
Might be worth googling 'Aygo clutch problems' for some background info on another common problem with the Aygo/C1/107. Our Aygo is coming up to about 30000 miles and is showing signs of needing a replacement clutch now, don't think it's a particularly expensive job though. Newer Aygos were fitted with the ø190mm clutch from the Yaris which apparently improved the wear problems. I suspect ours dates from just before the change and has the older ø180mm clutch although seemingly there's no way to tell without removing it in which case it makes sense just to stick a new clutch back in anyway.
HannsG said:
Hi guys. OP here again...
Surely if you are doing 80mph+ the economy hits the floor?
All this talk of 50mpg still applies at thise speeds?
I reckon 50-55 mpg on a run cruising @ 70-80mph. If your driving quicker you will pay the price.Surely if you are doing 80mph+ the economy hits the floor?
All this talk of 50mpg still applies at thise speeds?
Bare in mind a very rough rule of thumb once aerodynamics come into play @ 50 ish. "If you double your speed you will need 6 times the power"
HannsG said:
Hi guys. OP here again...
Surely if you are doing 80mph+ the economy hits the floor?
All this talk of 50mpg still applies at thise speeds?
I'm hammering mine up and down the motorway all week these days (it's on 50k miles now, original clutch). Surely if you are doing 80mph+ the economy hits the floor?
All this talk of 50mpg still applies at thise speeds?
Sit at 60mph and it'll be doing about 70-75mpg. 80+mph sees mine drop to no worse than early 50s. Always measured brim to brim.
10 Pence Short said:
RoverP6B said:
Yep. Seriously lacking in longitudinal and aerodynamic stability above 60 or so.
Utter bulls
t.I drive one day in day out on the motorway. I am above those speeds daily.
It's not even remotely unstable in any way, well into 3 figure speeds.
They really do cost very little to run. I did a fill to fill type MPG calculation and with me driving it hard, I got 55mpg.
Also, can someone care to define "dangerously slow"? I do 20k a year in a van with 64bhp, I haven't died on my commute recently.
I see a lot of people rating the Aygo, but for what it's worth here's my opinion:
I had one as a Hire Car for a wknd and have never driven a car I liked less. The engine was underpowered and noisy, the doors light and tinny and the interior more basic than any car i've been in!
It is honestly the only Hire Car I have had that I wouldn't even take for free. In comparision, the fiesta, polo and fiat 500 (other small cars i've had recently) were a major impovement. The fiesta, which I guess was a 2012 / 2013 model was probably the best of all.
I had one as a Hire Car for a wknd and have never driven a car I liked less. The engine was underpowered and noisy, the doors light and tinny and the interior more basic than any car i've been in!
It is honestly the only Hire Car I have had that I wouldn't even take for free. In comparision, the fiesta, polo and fiat 500 (other small cars i've had recently) were a major impovement. The fiesta, which I guess was a 2012 / 2013 model was probably the best of all.
- I was driving mostly 50mph rural roads, so can't comment on the stability at high speeds.
Don't touch one with the MMT transmission (single clutch automated manual jobbie), MIL has had no-end of problems with hers- getting stuck in gear, refusing to select neutral when coming to a halt etc. Currently has a intermittent starting problem which appears to be related to the gearbox not knowing what gear it's in. She's taken it all over the place though including the lake district all the way from kent and it coped fine on the motorways (3-up with luggage).
They are quite a scary place to be if you're a rear-seat passenger, your head is inches away from the rear window, not fun seeing lorry tyres looming up next to you on dual carriageways.
They are quite a scary place to be if you're a rear-seat passenger, your head is inches away from the rear window, not fun seeing lorry tyres looming up next to you on dual carriageways.
10 Pence Short said:
80+mph sees mine drop to no worse than early 50s. Always measured brim to brim.
Same here. Always filled brim-to-brim and worst case was 49mpg (short commute) and best case was 62mpg on a holiday trip up A12/A1 to N Yorks and then in/around the Moors. (I've never had 70mpg, though.)One poster above said that the hire Aygo he had was not like the Fiesta/Polo/500/etc - he's 100 percent right. It is a budget city car, with a level of refinement below those others he mentions. I love mine, but after a trip to Japan, I know that it is NOT really a Toyota. It's not sold in Japan whereas the iQ is. When I bought my Aygo, I filled in the paperwork and had to wait a while, I went and sat in the iQ and it is definitely a level above the Aygo. Same economy, but probably beyond the budget?
g3org3y said:
10 Pence Short said:
RoverP6B said:
Yep. Seriously lacking in longitudinal and aerodynamic stability above 60 or so.
Utter bullst.I drive one day in day out on the motorway. I am above those speeds daily.
It's not even remotely unstable in any way, well into 3 figure speeds.
Edit to add, same question to this chap:
mattshiz said:
i got my c1 to 115mph and it felt fine.
Edited by g3org3y on Sunday 15th September 15:05
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Edited by james280779 on Tuesday 24th September 06:10
10 Pence Short said:
RoverP6B said:
If I had a penny for every time I've seen an Aygo/C1/107 bobbing and bouncing about, its short wheelbase and less than optimal aero robbing it of the plantedness one senses in the Fiesta... and if you crash, there isn't much protection, whereas the Fiesta is a surprisingly sturdy thing.
I've done 70,000 miles (mostly motorway) in them. I appreciate all that time driving them doesn't impart the same level of knowledge as occasionally seeing one being driven by someone else but, with the greatest of respect, you're talking arse.They do pitch a lot on transverse bumps - but seriously - how often do you encounter those?
Our was got on one of those cheap lease deals (it goes back next week after 2 years) originally to take over commuting (M62, every day) duties from my SL500. As it was the I got rid of the SL500 due to dreadful reliability issues so then got the SLK, so the OH has been using it (we have 10K pa contracted, might as well use them) and she does 100 miles a day, 3 days a week. Whizzes along, she gets a genuaine 66 mpg *overall*, and I think the handling is great fun. I've had a few runs out on twisty roads too and it really is excellent. Aircon on saps power noticeably.
Ours also got the horrid eco-tyres binned immediately we got it and replaced with Goodyear Vectors (all-season, mountain and snowflake) and in snow it's been unstoppable except once when it simply got so deep the car wheels ended up off the ground. These also give it great confidence in pouring rain.
It's been very reliable - only thing that's gone wrong was a loose washer jet.
OP - I agree with what 10 Pence says - listen to people who've bought them, not someone who knows "a mate down the pub that says they're crap". They're very cheap, basic but fun motoring.
mattshiz said:
g3org3y said:
10 Pence Short said:
RoverP6B said:
Yep. Seriously lacking in longitudinal and aerodynamic stability above 60 or so.
Utter bullst.I drive one day in day out on the motorway. I am above those speeds daily.
It's not even remotely unstable in any way, well into 3 figure speeds.
Edit to add, same question to this chap:
mattshiz said:
i got my c1 to 115mph and it felt fine.
Edited by g3org3y on Sunday 15th September 15:05
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