RE: Porsche 911 Turbo Cabriolet revealed
Discussion
myhandle said:
The Boxster is the cabrio, the Cayman the slightly more driver-focussed hardtop Boxster. Boxster S and Cayman S the more powerful versions.
The 918 Spyder is the replacement for the Carrera GT.
So now we are discussing just the 911.
Confusion arises as there are two things going on. One is the model of 911, and the other is model generation.
So 911s of a certain generation (platform generation) are all 911s, but they also have a Porsche codename which enthusiasts also use. The current 911 is called the 991, and in reverse order the generations have been as follows(note the model year overlap as some versions of the previous model remain in production).
991 (2011 - present), 997 (2004 - 2012) , 996 (1997 - 2005), 993 (1993 - 1998) , 964 (1989 - 1994) , and before then cars were all known as 911 but there were again several sub-generations and many models.
When a new 911 is introduced, the performance variants of the previous generation remain on sale for a while. So at the 2011 Frankfurt motorshow, the 991 Carrera was displayed alongside the 997 Turbo S and 997 GT3 RS 4.0. So there is generation overlap.
Now turning to the models. At present, it works like this:
Carrera
Carrera S - more power.
Carrera 4 and 4S - as above but with 4 wheel drive.
Turbo and Turbo S - the high performance road-optimised variants. 4WD and lots of power. More in the S.
Convertible models of all of the above.
Targa 4 and 4S (997 still the newest) - sliding glass roof and 4WD.
GT3 - somewhat track-optimised lighter car.
GT3RS - (997 still the newest)more track optimised version of the above.
GT2 and GT2 RS (997 still the newest) 2WD versions of the Turbo, more track optimised than the Turbo.
There are also limited editions from time to time like the Speedster , Sport Classic , 50th Anniversary , Club Coupe and so on , but these are all based on models in the regular range above.
This is not a complete history of the 911 by any means but hope it helps.
It helps, appreciated, but I cant help but get the feeling it's much more complicated than it needs to be.The 918 Spyder is the replacement for the Carrera GT.
So now we are discussing just the 911.
Confusion arises as there are two things going on. One is the model of 911, and the other is model generation.
So 911s of a certain generation (platform generation) are all 911s, but they also have a Porsche codename which enthusiasts also use. The current 911 is called the 991, and in reverse order the generations have been as follows(note the model year overlap as some versions of the previous model remain in production).
991 (2011 - present), 997 (2004 - 2012) , 996 (1997 - 2005), 993 (1993 - 1998) , 964 (1989 - 1994) , and before then cars were all known as 911 but there were again several sub-generations and many models.
When a new 911 is introduced, the performance variants of the previous generation remain on sale for a while. So at the 2011 Frankfurt motorshow, the 991 Carrera was displayed alongside the 997 Turbo S and 997 GT3 RS 4.0. So there is generation overlap.
Now turning to the models. At present, it works like this:
Carrera
Carrera S - more power.
Carrera 4 and 4S - as above but with 4 wheel drive.
Turbo and Turbo S - the high performance road-optimised variants. 4WD and lots of power. More in the S.
Convertible models of all of the above.
Targa 4 and 4S (997 still the newest) - sliding glass roof and 4WD.
GT3 - somewhat track-optimised lighter car.
GT3RS - (997 still the newest)more track optimised version of the above.
GT2 and GT2 RS (997 still the newest) 2WD versions of the Turbo, more track optimised than the Turbo.
There are also limited editions from time to time like the Speedster , Sport Classic , 50th Anniversary , Club Coupe and so on , but these are all based on models in the regular range above.
This is not a complete history of the 911 by any means but hope it helps.
Edited by myhandle on Tuesday 24th September 10:21
fjord said:
It helps, appreciated, but I cant help but get the feeling it's much more complicated than it needs to be.
hmmm, i don't find it had to understand, especially the basic carrera models. an "S" means a bit more powerful and a "4" means 4wd. "GT" basically means more track/driver oriented models and "turbo" basically means turbo, uber fast versions of the normal carrera models.fjord said:
It helps, appreciated, but I cant help but get the feeling it's much more complicated than it needs to be.
Only to the uninitiated, as Ross shows the model types are all pretty logical.The 911 is a cash cow and for minimum extra R&D cost Porsche can offer a range of variants to satisfy any combination of features a customer might want / budget can match
turbo-ww said:
Rawwr said:
The thing is, the Turbo S wraps up all of its performance in a comfy cruiser package. Given the choice of a Turbo S, 4C or Exige S to drive to the south of France in, I'd have to pick the Turbo S. If I wanted to drive properly, I'd have a 997 GT3 RS.
Pretty sure by the time you got to the South of France in a GT3 you would wish you were in a Turbo - Maybe not a cab but yes to a Turbo.turbo-ww said:
Rawwr said:
The thing is, the Turbo S wraps up all of its performance in a comfy cruiser package. Given the choice of a Turbo S, 4C or Exige S to drive to the south of France in, I'd have to pick the Turbo S. If I wanted to drive properly, I'd have a 997 GT3 RS.
Pretty sure by the time you got to the South of France in a GT3 you would wish you were in a Turbo - Maybe not a cab but yes to a Turbo.You can't put a Lotus or the Alfa 4c in the same price class as the 911 Turbo.
You have a car that is entirely purpose built by Porsche to extremely high levels of quality, fit, finish and specification.
Vs 2 cars knocked together from a parts bin collection with hardly anything like the level of quality, fit, finish or spec.
A supercharged Atom would obliterate the lot but they're relatively cheap. You dont pay for performance alone, you pay for a package and the 911 Turbo is the full package.
You have a car that is entirely purpose built by Porsche to extremely high levels of quality, fit, finish and specification.
Vs 2 cars knocked together from a parts bin collection with hardly anything like the level of quality, fit, finish or spec.
A supercharged Atom would obliterate the lot but they're relatively cheap. You dont pay for performance alone, you pay for a package and the 911 Turbo is the full package.
PHMatt said:
You can't put a Lotus or the Alfa 4c in the same price class as the 911 Turbo.
You have a car that is entirely purpose built by Porsche to extremely high levels of quality, fit, finish and specification.
Vs 2 cars knocked together from a parts bin collection with hardly anything like the level of quality, fit, finish or spec.
A supercharged Atom would obliterate the lot but they're relatively cheap. You dont pay for performance alone, you pay for a package and the 911 Turbo is the full package.
You forgot the badge. The badge is the most important feature.You have a car that is entirely purpose built by Porsche to extremely high levels of quality, fit, finish and specification.
Vs 2 cars knocked together from a parts bin collection with hardly anything like the level of quality, fit, finish or spec.
A supercharged Atom would obliterate the lot but they're relatively cheap. You dont pay for performance alone, you pay for a package and the 911 Turbo is the full package.
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