Indicating in general
Discussion
Jayyylo said:
panholio said:
Really annoys me on motorways. Especially when people don't indicate when moving from lane 3 to lane 2 when there are vehicles in lane 1. Downright dangerous.
There is no reason to indicate when moving back to position after completing an overtake. The car you have overtaken is now behind you and won't be blasting up the inside and you use your eyes to see if someone in L1 is signalling to move into L2. Simples. People who indicate left on motorways is another example of poor driving, except when taking a slip road or moving onto a new road denoted by thicker white lines.
ts crashing into each other every day when people can't even be bothered to observe and signal??? RWD cossie wil said:
Jayyylo said:
panholio said:
Really annoys me on motorways. Especially when people don't indicate when moving from lane 3 to lane 2 when there are vehicles in lane 1. Downright dangerous.
There is no reason to indicate when moving back to position after completing an overtake. The car you have overtaken is now behind you and won't be blasting up the inside and you use your eyes to see if someone in L1 is signalling to move into L2. Simples. People who indicate left on motorways is another example of poor driving, except when taking a slip road or moving onto a new road denoted by thicker white lines.ts crashing into each other every day when people can't even be bothered to observe and signal??? Just because there are lots of muppets who don't signal going out for an overtake doesn't mean I should lower my driving standards to accommodate them. I know I was taught correctly and a large part of that was observation and anticipation. Not just blindly sticking on an indicator (in either direction) and assuming that gives me a right of way to change lanes.
supersingle said:
Vipers said:
To sum it all up:-
Mirror, signal, manouevour.
Now that's easy, not too difficult.
I think you forgot observation and anticipation. That puts you with 90% of road users out there.Mirror, signal, manouevour.
Now that's easy, not too difficult.
And of course an indicator does not give you any right of way, neither should you pull onto a motorway/dual carriageway forcing others to slow down but many do.
Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 24th September 09:07
RobM77 said:
A guy the other day pulled up alongside me in the right hand lane of a four exit simple "cross shape" roundabout punctuating a B road and then went straight on, forcing him to brake hard when we both headed for the same exit! He then proceeded to make signs at me from his window, hoot his horn and flash. It was the simplest roundabout imaginable - did he really think the left lane was for left only and the right lane for straight on and right?!!! I drove across the same roundabout yesterday and someone else did the same thing to the guy behind me.
The really dangerous one is people turning right from the left lane of similarly simple roundabouts without indicating (no lane markings, just a straight Highway Code job) - something I see about once a week.
You get this a LOT on the A303 where there's lots of dual carriageway into and out of roundabouts. Some are two lanes in and one lane out (straight on), and people are always barging in / looking surprised that others don't turn left. The really dangerous one is people turning right from the left lane of similarly simple roundabouts without indicating (no lane markings, just a straight Highway Code job) - something I see about once a week.
RobM77 said:
A guy the other day pulled up alongside me in the right hand lane of a four exit simple "cross shape" roundabout punctuating a B road and then went straight on, forcing him to brake hard when we both headed for the same exit! He then proceeded to make signs at me from his window, hoot his horn and flash. It was the simplest roundabout imaginable - did he really think the left lane was for left only and the right lane for straight on and right?!!! I drove across the same roundabout yesterday and someone else did the same thing to the guy behind me.
The really dangerous one is people turning right from the left lane of similarly simple roundabouts without indicating (no lane markings, just a straight Highway Code job) - something I see about once a week.
You get this a LOT on the A303 where there's lots of dual carriageway into and out of roundabouts. Some are two lanes in and one lane out (straight on), and people are always barging in / looking surprised that others don't turn left. The really dangerous one is people turning right from the left lane of similarly simple roundabouts without indicating (no lane markings, just a straight Highway Code job) - something I see about once a week.
Jayyylo said:
RWD cossie wil said:
Jayyylo said:
panholio said:
Really annoys me on motorways. Especially when people don't indicate when moving from lane 3 to lane 2 when there are vehicles in lane 1. Downright dangerous.
There is no reason to indicate when moving back to position after completing an overtake. The car you have overtaken is now behind you and won't be blasting up the inside and you use your eyes to see if someone in L1 is signalling to move into L2. Simples. People who indicate left on motorways is another example of poor driving, except when taking a slip road or moving onto a new road denoted by thicker white lines.ts crashing into each other every day when people can't even be bothered to observe and signal??? Just because there are lots of muppets who don't signal going out for an overtake doesn't mean I should lower my driving standards to accommodate them. I know I was taught correctly and a large part of that was observation and anticipation. Not just blindly sticking on an indicator (in either direction) and assuming that gives me a right of way to change lanes.
And yes I do indicate when overtaking, in & out as it lets people know what you are doing. Simple enough to do & improves communication IMHO.
Whilst much of this is technically correct. Some of you seem to gloss over the fact that we do not live in a perfect world.
We'd drive on the left etc. These views are based on an ideal. A theory. Sadly, the rather large majority of drivers do not anticipate. They will not be expecting. They don't drive on the left. They don't have any concept of what we are discussing.
Some people seem to live by the "well it was their fault" rule of driving. Not much use when you're seriously injured or dead. Assuming that everyone else is living by your rules, is massively dangerous. Most likely the cause of many many accidents. A toffy nosed "it was obvious I was pulling back into lane 2 because that's what my IAM handbook says" probably won't help you walk again.
Yes I'm being dramatic, but the consequences of not indicating just because some copper said he was trained not to, may also be quite dramatic. In some instances it is not logical to signal, based on the rules of the road, and the assumption that everyone is following them. However, throw in some common sense, and there is never a reason not to indicate. Except of the course in case of the wild assumption (assumptions seem to be a pattern?) that somehow, always signalling means you are some kind of stub-species of driver
We'd drive on the left etc. These views are based on an ideal. A theory. Sadly, the rather large majority of drivers do not anticipate. They will not be expecting. They don't drive on the left. They don't have any concept of what we are discussing.
Some people seem to live by the "well it was their fault" rule of driving. Not much use when you're seriously injured or dead. Assuming that everyone else is living by your rules, is massively dangerous. Most likely the cause of many many accidents. A toffy nosed "it was obvious I was pulling back into lane 2 because that's what my IAM handbook says" probably won't help you walk again.
Yes I'm being dramatic, but the consequences of not indicating just because some copper said he was trained not to, may also be quite dramatic. In some instances it is not logical to signal, based on the rules of the road, and the assumption that everyone is following them. However, throw in some common sense, and there is never a reason not to indicate. Except of the course in case of the wild assumption (assumptions seem to be a pattern?) that somehow, always signalling means you are some kind of stub-species of driver
Jayyylo said:
When you overtake on an A Road do you signal to move back onto your own side? Or is it assumed that is where you will be going as it's the correct driving position?
I frequently see people doing that. I'm in firmly in the camp of not indicating when returning to the left.
Has the highway code changed recently as I don't remember it showing indicate to return to left in previous editions?
JM said:
Jayyylo said:
When you overtake on an A Road do you signal to move back onto your own side? Or is it assumed that is where you will be going as it's the correct driving position?
I frequently see people doing that. I'm in firmly in the camp of not indicating when returning to the left.
Has the highway code changed recently as I don't remember it showing indicate to return to left in previous editions?
7. Multi-lane carriageways (133 to 143)
Lane discipline
133
If you need to change lane, first use your mirrors and if necessary take a quick sideways glance to make sure you will not force another road user to change course or speed. When it is safe to do so, signal to indicate your intentions to other road users and when clear, move over.
Doesn't differs between moving left or right, just changing lanes.
Edited by Vipers on Tuesday 24th September 18:47
Kenny Powers said:
Whilst much of this is technically correct. Some of you seem to gloss over the fact that we do not live in a perfect world.
We'd drive on the left etc. These views are based on an ideal. A theory. Sadly, the rather large majority of drivers do not anticipate. They will not be expecting. They don't drive on the left. They don't have any concept of what we are discussing.
Some people seem to live by the "well it was their fault" rule of driving. Not much use when you're seriously injured or dead. Assuming that everyone else is living by your rules, is massively dangerous. Most likely the cause of many many accidents. A toffy nosed "it was obvious I was pulling back into lane 2 because that's what my IAM handbook says" probably won't help you walk again.
Yes I'm being dramatic, but the consequences of not indicating just because some copper said he was trained not to, may also be quite dramatic. In some instances it is not logical to signal, based on the rules of the road, and the assumption that everyone is following them. However, throw in some common sense, and there is never a reason not to indicate. Except of the course in case of the wild assumption (assumptions seem to be a pattern?) that somehow, always signalling means you are some kind of stub-species of driver
I too am assuming that the worst that can happen if someone doesn't indicate is some annoyance is caused. One should never drive so that risk is encountered if an indication turns out to be false. What annoys me though is what a tiny percentage of people actually bother to indicate - it's just plain rude to be honest, that's what it comes down to.We'd drive on the left etc. These views are based on an ideal. A theory. Sadly, the rather large majority of drivers do not anticipate. They will not be expecting. They don't drive on the left. They don't have any concept of what we are discussing.
Some people seem to live by the "well it was their fault" rule of driving. Not much use when you're seriously injured or dead. Assuming that everyone else is living by your rules, is massively dangerous. Most likely the cause of many many accidents. A toffy nosed "it was obvious I was pulling back into lane 2 because that's what my IAM handbook says" probably won't help you walk again.
Yes I'm being dramatic, but the consequences of not indicating just because some copper said he was trained not to, may also be quite dramatic. In some instances it is not logical to signal, based on the rules of the road, and the assumption that everyone is following them. However, throw in some common sense, and there is never a reason not to indicate. Except of the course in case of the wild assumption (assumptions seem to be a pattern?) that somehow, always signalling means you are some kind of stub-species of driver
Jayyylo said:
Maybe you didn't read my post but I specifically mentioned observing before you make the move into L1. There is no need to signal when moving to the left on a motorway as you are simply returning to the correct driving position after completing an overtake. When you overtake on an A Road do you signal to move back onto your own side? Or is it assumed that is where you will be going as it's the correct driving position?
Just because there are lots of muppets who don't signal going out for an overtake doesn't mean I should lower my driving standards to accommodate them. I know I was taught correctly and a large part of that was observation and anticipation. Not just blindly sticking on an indicator (in either direction) and assuming that gives me a right of way to change lanes.
Letting other road users know what you're doing makes things safer for all of us. That doesn't change just because you're a member of some special people's driving society.Just because there are lots of muppets who don't signal going out for an overtake doesn't mean I should lower my driving standards to accommodate them. I know I was taught correctly and a large part of that was observation and anticipation. Not just blindly sticking on an indicator (in either direction) and assuming that gives me a right of way to change lanes.
I'm sure it's satisfying to be dead right but you've got to remember no one wants to be dead, right? Might be an extreme example but if we're all singing from the same hymn sheet and all that...
I once stopped opposite a car at a residential crossroad that meet a main road I.e two side streets and a main road running through. I intended to go straight on so obviously didn't indicate, the opposite Driver also didn't indicate so in my right mind I thought he was going straight ahead. As the main road cleared, we both made our moves, except he turned right, and straight across my path. Cue verbals from both drivers, and him looking for a fight. So I just beckoned him on and out my way. I now drive a lot more defensively, seeing the state of driving on our roads nowadays.
There is a rather nasty bit of slip road on the A66 near Teesside Park(I'm sure locals will be familiar with). I don't know the highcode name for it but I was brought up calling it a slip on/slip off road.
I marked the start/end of this slip with 2 lines. Must be about 350 yards apart.
Everytime I come along this road in lane 1 I always fully prepare for some c*** to come flying down the slip road and not bother to let anyone know where he wants to go.
To Mr Flatbed Transit Van:- Even though lane 2 was empty I won't move over unless you actually indicate off the slip. Otherwise it looks like you are going to Thornaby. Next time someone has to give it some horn cause you are directly alongside someone changing into their lane, don't have a tantrum and then accelerate/brake continuously behind them. One day you'll kill yourself when someone gives in and slams on the anchors.(Or carry on doing it. Nobody will miss you)
I know, not enough expletives, 3/10, better luck next time, I'm new to this game.
I marked the start/end of this slip with 2 lines. Must be about 350 yards apart.
Everytime I come along this road in lane 1 I always fully prepare for some c*** to come flying down the slip road and not bother to let anyone know where he wants to go.
To Mr Flatbed Transit Van:- Even though lane 2 was empty I won't move over unless you actually indicate off the slip. Otherwise it looks like you are going to Thornaby. Next time someone has to give it some horn cause you are directly alongside someone changing into their lane, don't have a tantrum and then accelerate/brake continuously behind them. One day you'll kill yourself when someone gives in and slams on the anchors.(Or carry on doing it. Nobody will miss you)
I know, not enough expletives, 3/10, better luck next time, I'm new to this game.
panholio said:
Really annoys me on motorways. Especially when people don't indicate when moving from lane 3 to lane 2 when there are vehicles in lane 1. Downright dangerous.
I will on occasion flash, .....
I will on occasion flash, .....
But if they have made the manoeuvre without hitting your vehicle then presumably they were aware of your presence? And naturally, we wouldn't dream of using signals not in accordance with the HWC; particularly when criticising others of the same?7mike said:
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