RE: McLaren F1 GTR goes to auction
Discussion
Why doesn't the FIA do a series like this again where there needs to be some road legal cars produced to race? F**king awsome! Like Groupe B. They could slow it down, have all kinds of restrictions on performance but require a minimum 500 'global' cars (thinking usa too). Every series I know of the race cars are radically different than road.
Where is the road version of the Panoz? Was there some kind of rule change a few years after the series started.
Where is the road version of the Panoz? Was there some kind of rule change a few years after the series started.
bobberz said:
Thank you, Pistonheads, for reminding me that the 918, LaFerrari, P1, and Huayra aren't even 10% as cool as the McLaren F1. Proper hairy-chested, man's supercar. Naturally aspirated, large displacement V12, manual gearbox only, no stability control, and would probably kill you if you tried to drive it like the aforementioned. I think that, even after two decades, the F1 still has a higher top speed than the LaF, 918, P1, and Huayra.
I think the only modern supercar that gives me the same feeling as the F1 is the Zonda. Completely different animals, but both were built as a pure, uncompromised vision by their creators, and I love the idea of a 7.3L V12!
I'm amazed at how quickly and by how much the F1 has appreciated in value. Are the F1 and Enzo the only cars which never depreciated? The Enzo is only about a decade old, yet they currently run for about double their original price! Even the 250 GTO went through a period in the late 1960's when they were simply useless, obsolete race cars; yesterday's news.
+1I think the only modern supercar that gives me the same feeling as the F1 is the Zonda. Completely different animals, but both were built as a pure, uncompromised vision by their creators, and I love the idea of a 7.3L V12!
I'm amazed at how quickly and by how much the F1 has appreciated in value. Are the F1 and Enzo the only cars which never depreciated? The Enzo is only about a decade old, yet they currently run for about double their original price! Even the 250 GTO went through a period in the late 1960's when they were simply useless, obsolete race cars; yesterday's news.
Want so bad it hurts - what an animal of a car.
PiB said:
Why doesn't the FIA do a series like this again where there needs to be some road legal cars produced to race? F**king awsome! Like Groupe B. They could slow it down, have all kinds of restrictions on performance but require a minimum 500 'global' cars (thinking usa too). Every series I know of the race cars are radically different than road.
Where is the road version of the Panoz? Was there some kind of rule change a few years after the series started.
Cost.Where is the road version of the Panoz? Was there some kind of rule change a few years after the series started.
It is massively expensive to make a pure race car that can also be homologated for road use, especially in the low numbers involved.
Does it not say at the back of 'Driving Ambition' what version of the F1 each chassis is. My copy is at work so I cannot access it.
Also with regard to my photos please forgive me as the dark car is an F1 GT not a GTR. There were 3 built, one prototype chassis 56 and two road cars, chassis numbers 54 and 58. The GT is a homologation special built so that the GTR could go racing.
Also with regard to my photos please forgive me as the dark car is an F1 GT not a GTR. There were 3 built, one prototype chassis 56 and two road cars, chassis numbers 54 and 58. The GT is a homologation special built so that the GTR could go racing.
Edited by RosscoPCole on Saturday 21st December 21:27
AlexS said:
Cost.
It is massively expensive to make a pure race car that can also be homologated for road use, especially in the low numbers involved.
Except...as Gordon told me over a bowl of pasta in '95 in a wet cold place in France....'we don't want to race it really...it's first and foremost a road car, but our customers want to, which is why we are here'It is massively expensive to make a pure race car that can also be homologated for road use, especially in the low numbers involved.
AlexS said:
Cost.
It is massively expensive to make a pure race car that can also be homologated for road use, especially in the low numbers involved.
Except...as Gordon told me over a bowl of pasta in '95 in a wet cold place in France....'we don't want to race it really...it's first and foremost a road car, but our customers want to, which is why we are here'It is massively expensive to make a pure race car that can also be homologated for road use, especially in the low numbers involved.
Don1 said:
RosscoPCole said:
Both road legal I believe.
iva cosworth said:
Yes,original was best.
What input,if any, did Gordon Murray or Pete Stevens have in the longtail design ?
My guess would be that Stevens had little input since he's a road car designer and the changes between standard F1 and the various GTRs were for racing and therefore driven by McLaren's technical and aerodynamic know-how. I would imagine Murray had a fairly big hand in the longtails since the whole F1 project was his baby. What input,if any, did Gordon Murray or Pete Stevens have in the longtail design ?
PiB said:
Why doesn't the FIA do a series like this again where there needs to be some road legal cars produced to race? F**king awsome! Like Groupe B. They could slow it down, have all kinds of restrictions on performance but require a minimum 500 'global' cars (thinking usa too). Every series I know of the race cars are radically different than road.
Where is the road version of the Panoz? Was there some kind of rule change a few years after the series started.
Panoz actually did build a number of Esperante road cars, not just two like the other homologation specials. That said, the Esperante road car was virtually nothing like the GTLM car. It looked nothing like it, plus it was a convertible! Where is the road version of the Panoz? Was there some kind of rule change a few years after the series started.
There is a massive difference between the Esperante, and the Esperante GTR-1. This GTR-1 was parked in the paddock at the '97 Le Mans 24 hours, when one of its racing sibblings had an accident on track. As the (tiny) Panoz team didn't had enough bodypart replacements, bodyparts of this green/yellow car were placed on the black DAMS car. Quite the sight!
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