RE: VW Golf GTI 25th Anniversary: PH Carpool
Discussion
paultownsend said:
I wouldn't consider a diesel varient. Only because i do not have the ability or understanding of the engine.
They should, as they do now, have created two versions. A k03 and k04. The k04 being the Anniverary.
Correct with the suspension arm geomerty Sir. My wishbones sit just above level with OE (old) springs.
Loweering any further would upset the handling. Thats why the TT/S3/R32 has a lower wishbone point to level the arms, and i beleive alter the castor.
My favorite, my old mk2 with mk3 16v running gear and 16v ABF 2.0.
I was worried going from the mk1 to mk2 would be an issue. In reality the mk2 chassis is much more usable and fifined (in 90' spec) for our roads. Well, until you rip out every ounce of sound deadening!
Sorry, you're wrong.They should, as they do now, have created two versions. A k03 and k04. The k04 being the Anniverary.
Correct with the suspension arm geomerty Sir. My wishbones sit just above level with OE (old) springs.
Loweering any further would upset the handling. Thats why the TT/S3/R32 has a lower wishbone point to level the arms, and i beleive alter the castor.
My favorite, my old mk2 with mk3 16v running gear and 16v ABF 2.0.
I was worried going from the mk1 to mk2 would be an issue. In reality the mk2 chassis is much more usable and fifined (in 90' spec) for our roads. Well, until you rip out every ounce of sound deadening!
Standard GTI 1.8T (AGU) engine had a K03 Turbo
The Anniversary (and 1.8T GTI's after anniversary) Had: Fly by wire throttle and K03s Turbo (180bhp)
The Leon Cupra R Had the K04 turbo.
PetrolAholic said:
Sorry, you're wrong.
Standard GTI 1.8T (AGU) engine had a K03 Turbo
The Anniversary (and 1.8T GTI's after anniversary) Had: Fly by wire throttle and K03s Turbo (180bhp)
The Leon Cupra R Had the K04 turbo.
Ah sorry matey. Im not saying the mk4 had a k04. Im saying they should have offered a model with the k04, and called that the anni.Standard GTI 1.8T (AGU) engine had a K03 Turbo
The Anniversary (and 1.8T GTI's after anniversary) Had: Fly by wire throttle and K03s Turbo (180bhp)
The Leon Cupra R Had the K04 turbo.
I have a cable k03 AGU. Well, soon to be k03s.
I couldnt afford a Leon Cupra R at the time. As a package it is much better out the box. And the hardware is there for tuning.
Edited by paultownsend on Monday 20th January 16:53
PetrolAholic said:
paultownsend said:
I wouldn't consider a diesel varient. Only because i do not have the ability or understanding of the engine.
They should, as they do now, have created two versions. A k03 and k04. The k04 being the Anniverary.
Correct with the suspension arm geomerty Sir. My wishbones sit just above level with OE (old) springs.
Loweering any further would upset the handling. Thats why the TT/S3/R32 has a lower wishbone point to level the arms, and i beleive alter the castor.
My favorite, my old mk2 with mk3 16v running gear and 16v ABF 2.0.
I was worried going from the mk1 to mk2 would be an issue. In reality the mk2 chassis is much more usable and fifined (in 90' spec) for our roads. Well, until you rip out every ounce of sound deadening!
Sorry, you're wrong.They should, as they do now, have created two versions. A k03 and k04. The k04 being the Anniverary.
Correct with the suspension arm geomerty Sir. My wishbones sit just above level with OE (old) springs.
Loweering any further would upset the handling. Thats why the TT/S3/R32 has a lower wishbone point to level the arms, and i beleive alter the castor.
My favorite, my old mk2 with mk3 16v running gear and 16v ABF 2.0.
I was worried going from the mk1 to mk2 would be an issue. In reality the mk2 chassis is much more usable and fifined (in 90' spec) for our roads. Well, until you rip out every ounce of sound deadening!
Standard GTI 1.8T (AGU) engine had a K03 Turbo
The Anniversary (and 1.8T GTI's after anniversary) Had: Fly by wire throttle and K03s Turbo (180bhp)
The Leon Cupra R Had the K04 turbo.
Post 2000 the part numbers were changed when the turbo was revamped to improve efficiency and the KO3 became a KO352/3/8 all I can assume is someone with a later 150hp DBW car with a KO35 had his remapped to 215hp and proclaimed the KO3[b]S[/b/] to be the best thing ever..... presumably because the label is upside down/difficult to read whilst the turbo is fitted!
paultownsend said:
hman said:
The Mk2 was a mk1 with a restyled shell and only looked right with big bumpers, just a marketing ploy with no handling or performance gains.
This man has never owned or worked on a mk1 or mk2 golf. I have, and i now own a mk4. Il leave it at that as il get angry! FYI I worked at VW Audi so had plenty of access to their cars and also a great supply of cheap spare parts for me to "work on mk1 and mk2's" you realise they share a s
t load of components dont you? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLFor your info:-
I restored a Mk1 gti campaign in Lhasa green and then went through 2 engines worth of driving in it!
I owned a big bumper oak green Mk2 16v gti for 6 months - heavy and slow by comparison to the MK1
I also owned a G60 corrado in some kind of purply red (chilli something was the colour name) colour - wheezy pile of rubbish compared to a VR6 - looked nice though!
I gave up on owning VW gti's after the mk2 golf and corado and went for a 205 gti 1.6 and also a 1.9 - these cars were miles better than anything on a mk2 golf chassis.
I never bothered to own a mk3 but drove plenty of 2.0 16v gti and vr6 at work - they were RUBBISH!
I test drove a mk4 gti 1.8T as my wife was considering buying one - it felt dull - in the same way as an A3 felt dull, we chose a mk2 focus sti 170 - it was like a razor compared to a vw blunt spoon!
the MK5 onwards gti's regained the essence of the Mk1 and that sprtsfans is all there is to know about this- the gti mk4 was poo as was the mk3 and in some ways the mk2.
A mk1 gti golf and a late PB digi 90'spec mk2 must share less than 10 parts. I doubt even that.
Suspension, no. Engine, electrical system. No. Fuel tank, no. Any part of the body. No. Interior. None. The mk1 didn't even have a front subframe. The only thing they share is a love to rust.
The K jet system in a 16v yes.
Now a mk2 digi and mk3 gti. They have more in commen.
Fan boy? Well it's all I have ever known. Its taught me all I need to know about cars. Now I can build engines and rewrire from fusebox to coil pack.
When new these cars were new they were perhaps overpriced and luke warm compared to the competition. They have never been a Renaultsport or MX5. But they have never tried to be.
I will be the first to say the mk4 is, and never will be a true GTI. But we are talking now. And a mk4 1.8t makes an excellent daily car for little money. Easy to fix, excellent enthusiast base. Cheap to find faults with VCDS and easy to find parts with ETKA. Both under £20.
il just leave these here......
and now this lump
Suspension, no. Engine, electrical system. No. Fuel tank, no. Any part of the body. No. Interior. None. The mk1 didn't even have a front subframe. The only thing they share is a love to rust.
The K jet system in a 16v yes.
Now a mk2 digi and mk3 gti. They have more in commen.
Fan boy? Well it's all I have ever known. Its taught me all I need to know about cars. Now I can build engines and rewrire from fusebox to coil pack.
When new these cars were new they were perhaps overpriced and luke warm compared to the competition. They have never been a Renaultsport or MX5. But they have never tried to be.
I will be the first to say the mk4 is, and never will be a true GTI. But we are talking now. And a mk4 1.8t makes an excellent daily car for little money. Easy to fix, excellent enthusiast base. Cheap to find faults with VCDS and easy to find parts with ETKA. Both under £20.
il just leave these here......
and now this lump
Edited by paultownsend on Monday 20th January 19:23
Edited by paultownsend on Monday 20th January 19:25
Bencolem said:
OP said:
We'd hacked around in an old 2.0 8V Mk4 for a while and we loved the car
Sorry, but any carpool that opens with this comment can't be from a true PH'er and can't be worth reading!It's what makes us appreciate the great cars even more.
aka_kerrly said:
I really can't decide what the purpose of this thread is..
1) A for sale advert for a mk4 golf
2) another opportunity of PH to whine about how rubbish mk4 golfs are
3) Another celebration that someone else has joined the I'm leasing a M135I club
Not a great editorial choice in my opinion. Reads like an advert all the way through - but that could be the owner's style if we are being generous - not worthy of a Carpool though - the best Carpools are the "bought it because I wanted it, and now I have discovered some depths I didn't expect and love it all the more, and here are some insights that those who have never owned/driven, may not appreciate....".1) A for sale advert for a mk4 golf
2) another opportunity of PH to whine about how rubbish mk4 golfs are
3) Another celebration that someone else has joined the I'm leasing a M135I club
PS - those about to sell - please do not follow the above advice :-)
paultownsend said:
I wouldn't consider a diesel varient. Only because i do not have the ability or understanding of the engine.
They should, as they do now, have created two versions. A k03 and k04. The k04 being the Anniverary.
Correct with the suspension arm geomerty Sir. My wishbones sit just above level with OE (old) springs.
Loweering any further would upset the handling. Thats why the TT/S3/R32 has a lower wishbone point to level the arms, and i beleive alter the castor.
My favorite, my old mk2 with mk3 16v running gear and 16v ABF 2.0.
I was worried going from the mk1 to mk2 would be an issue. In reality the mk2 chassis is much more usable and fifined (in 90' spec) for our roads. Well, until you rip out every ounce of sound deadening!
The 1.9 PD tdi has most likely the biggest following for diesel tuning in the UK/Europe. A map on the 150bhp can take it up to at least 185bhp/300lbft and there are bigger turbo kits, bigger injectors etc etc to get silly power.They should, as they do now, have created two versions. A k03 and k04. The k04 being the Anniverary.
Correct with the suspension arm geomerty Sir. My wishbones sit just above level with OE (old) springs.
Loweering any further would upset the handling. Thats why the TT/S3/R32 has a lower wishbone point to level the arms, and i beleive alter the castor.
My favorite, my old mk2 with mk3 16v running gear and 16v ABF 2.0.
I was worried going from the mk1 to mk2 would be an issue. In reality the mk2 chassis is much more usable and fifined (in 90' spec) for our roads. Well, until you rip out every ounce of sound deadening!
Somebody on seatcupra.net has the later 2.0 PD TDI 140 tuned to over 300bhp in a A3 Quattro.
Here some idea from a tuner I know breathed on an old 306HDI I had in the past.
PD 100,115,130
Phase 1
ECU Re-map and Panel Filter, this is the most popular up-grade, this provides up to 45 bhp and 50-60 ft-lb increase. Power is smooth throughout the rev range with no torque spikes at low RPM.
Option Milltek Exhaust system. This gives improved throttle response and an extra 5-10 bhp.
Phase 2
Front mounted intercooler system, Full Milltek exhaust system and phase 2 re-map. This provides a further 20-30 bhp and more consistent power due to decreased charge air temps.
Phase 3
As Phase 2, plus a hybrid Garrett turbocharger and an Helix clutch and flywheel assemble. Plus our custom phase 3 ECU re-map.
This can provide up to 235 bhp and 340-360 ft-lb of torque!
(Enlarged Injectors required on PD100 and PD115 engines)
Standard PD130 compared to Hybrid unit
Phase 4
As Phase 3 , plus ERL water injection system, Larger hybrid Garrett turbocharger, high flow injector assemble, modified inlet manifold and a custom re-map.
Phase 4 can provide upto 300 bhp and 400 ft-lb of torque!
PD150
Stages as above, but PD150's can retain there standard intercooler system, as they use a much larger front mounted unit as standard.
I've loved Golfs since I was a small child - exhibit 1, summer 1983.
My daily drive for 14 years was Mk1 and until autumn last year I had a gorgeous 1991 Mk2 GTI 16v to potter about in. However nothing would ever make me want to buy any Golf in any spec from the Mk3-Mk5 eras. Deathly dull cars. My wife has a 2007 Jetta 2.0 TFSI DSG which shares the same engine as the GTI, and while it's a quick and capable car there's no character. Still, she likes it.
My daily drive for 14 years was Mk1 and until autumn last year I had a gorgeous 1991 Mk2 GTI 16v to potter about in. However nothing would ever make me want to buy any Golf in any spec from the Mk3-Mk5 eras. Deathly dull cars. My wife has a 2007 Jetta 2.0 TFSI DSG which shares the same engine as the GTI, and while it's a quick and capable car there's no character. Still, she likes it.
iloveboost said:
Despite the silly hard grey pad in the 'better' Recaros, that makes thems slightly less comfortable than the standard seats, these are good! Rarer than the standard Gti so usually a bit more than a like for like standard Gti. Wider 225 not 205 tyres like the standard Gti and slightly firmer suspension. Those wheels are, I think, the nicest fitted to any 1.8T car. Other than the seats good cars that handle/look a bit better than the standard GTi. The Cupra R is a better overall car, but I think this is the best Golf Mk4 overall.
The best wheels on a 1.8T would be the multispokes on the Quattro Sport TT, not that I'm biased or anything.....timmeh2k said:
The best wheels on a 1.8T would be the multispokes on the Quattro Sport TT, not that I'm biased or anything.....
Hehe I guess you own one then? The wheels look like R32 Mk4 wheels to my eyes but I guess they are slightly different? I always liked those think I've seen one TT sport in my life so they must be very rarer than any other Golf based car. They were the final special edition in the last year of production right? Think that's right. Slight power boost with bucket seats, etc.I have one and it's not that great. Handling isn't up to much, interior plastics are easily scratched, engine is punchy but not in anyway fast and terrible on fuel even if driven like a granny and it's prone to start having all the usual electric windows, reap wiper motor, passenger seat airbag electrics, various sensors, and other bits go wrong, not to mention wheel peel. The Recaro leather seats I have are lovely, supremely comfy and the spec is good as they are heated and it has rear elec windows, climate control and a decent stereo set up. But the gearing is the most frustrating thing as it's 5 speed and that's terribly frustrating as it needs 6 gears for the motorway.
He can't like it that much anyway if it's up for sale.
He can't like it that much anyway if it's up for sale.
mazdaman1980 said:
I have one and it's not that great. Handling isn't up to much, interior plastics are easily scratched, engine is punchy but not in anyway fast and terrible on fuel even if driven like a granny and it's prone to start having all the usual electric windows, reap wiper motor, passenger seat airbag electrics, various sensors, and other bits go wrong, not to mention wheel peel. The Recaro leather seats I have are lovely, supremely comfy and the spec is good as they are heated and it has rear elec windows, climate control and a decent stereo set up. But the gearing is the most frustrating thing as it's 5 speed and that's terribly frustrating as it needs 6 gears for the motorway.
He can't like it that much anyway if it's up for sale.
Presumably being a 5 speed though yours is a 150hp model and not a Anniversary. Your points still stand aside from the gearbox.He can't like it that much anyway if it's up for sale.
aka_kerrly said:
Presumably being a 5 speed though yours is a 150hp model and not a Anniversary. Your points still stand aside from the gearbox.
IIRC the Anni seats aren't heated?They are pretty rare, and fine examples will probably make money rather than lose money (depending when you bought it)
Only 720 TDI Anni's left in the UK - 40 are sorn.
http://www.howmanyle...anniversary_tdi
AND
Only 656 1.8T Annis left in the UK - 34 are sorn
http://www.howmanyle...f_anniversary_t
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