RE: Dodge Challenger Hellcat: 707hp
Discussion
LuS1fer said:
The downside with these cars is the American propensity for dealers to be able to charge around $20000 premium for the first cars. always happens and mnaufacturers can't stop them, under the system they have over there.
The first Challengers and GT500s had these ludicrous "scabbing" premiums attached, until demand evened out and there was no longer a queue.
^^This.The first Challengers and GT500s had these ludicrous "scabbing" premiums attached, until demand evened out and there was no longer a queue.
Back in 2007 when the first Shelby GT500s came out, I thought, "fantastic; 500bhp for only $40 grand". Unlike certain German car companies, American high-performance cars don't typically have long and expensive options lists, so the "as-tested" price in most of the magazines was pretty close to the $40K base price.
Then I saw one at a local dealership for the first time. Sure enough, the total MSRP was less than $45,000. However, scrawled by the dealership on a piece of paper tacked under the window sticker said "adjusted market value" or some such nonsense of, whaddya know, exactly $40,000. So, what the magazines were hailing as "the performance bargain of the century" turned out to be over $80,000!
BTW, they still do it, even though the GT500 is now an outgoing model. However, at least now the markup is only a few grand.
skyrover said:
manmaths said:
skyrover said:
thatdude said:
Second key though? a bit of further elaboration on that?
So the valet does not crash it However, I am not sure dropping the car to only 500hp will have the desired effect in this case!
thatdude said:
I quite like this
Second key though? a bit of further elaboration on that?
Sounds like with the usual ignition key, you fire it up and theres your 707 bhp. If you then later decide you are a pussy (say it with a thick american accent ya'll) then you can limit it to a girls power level of 500 bhp...right?
Not sure if this has been answered. What I've gathered, is that there will be two keys, much like the Veyron--a red key and a black key. The red one gives you the full beans; the black key is a valet key that limits a number of performance and accessibility parameters. Most notably, it limits power to 500hp.Second key though? a bit of further elaboration on that?
Sounds like with the usual ignition key, you fire it up and theres your 707 bhp. If you then later decide you are a pussy (say it with a thick american accent ya'll) then you can limit it to a girls power level of 500 bhp...right?
bobberz said:
LuS1fer said:
The downside with these cars is the American propensity for dealers to be able to charge around $20000 premium for the first cars. always happens and mnaufacturers can't stop them, under the system they have over there.
The first Challengers and GT500s had these ludicrous "scabbing" premiums attached, until demand evened out and there was no longer a queue.
^^This.The first Challengers and GT500s had these ludicrous "scabbing" premiums attached, until demand evened out and there was no longer a queue.
Back in 2007 when the first Shelby GT500s came out, I thought, "fantastic; 500bhp for only $40 grand". Unlike certain German car companies, American high-performance cars don't typically have long and expensive options lists, so the "as-tested" price in most of the magazines was pretty close to the $40K base price.
Then I saw one at a local dealership for the first time. Sure enough, the total MSRP was less than $45,000. However, scrawled by the dealership on a piece of paper tacked under the window sticker said "adjusted market value" or some such nonsense of, whaddya know, exactly $40,000. So, what the magazines were hailing as "the performance bargain of the century" turned out to be over $80,000!
BTW, they still do it, even though the GT500 is now an outgoing model. However, at least now the markup is only a few grand.
RichardParker90 said:
thatdude said:
I quite like this
Second key though? a bit of further elaboration on that?
Sounds like with the usual ignition key, you fire it up and theres your 707 bhp. If you then later decide you are a pussy (say it with a thick american accent ya'll) then you can limit it to a girls power level of 500 bhp...right?
Not sure if this has been answered. What I've gathered, is that there will be two keys, much like the Veyron--a red key and a black key. The red one gives you the full beans; the black key is a valet key that limits a number of performance and accessibility parameters. Most notably, it limits power to 500hp.Second key though? a bit of further elaboration on that?
Sounds like with the usual ignition key, you fire it up and theres your 707 bhp. If you then later decide you are a pussy (say it with a thick american accent ya'll) then you can limit it to a girls power level of 500 bhp...right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stm_0nx_9Ec
bobberz said:
Meteor Madness said:
godzilla84 said:
sooooo..... from the factory it produces 707bhp.....which means that to make the engine reliable it must be a reasonable distance from its actual tolerances. That means that there is a tuning company somewhere that can and probably will put it up to 1000+bhp??
I think you will find people have been tuning the Chrysler Hemi well over 1000bhp since the 1960s. Witness the 7000bhp+ behemoths that Top Fuel drag racers use. I do so want a Challenger. Even an R/T would do! It would be terrible for the on street parking i have to do now though!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU2d3YpJVYk <- the Hellcat makes special noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU2d3YpJVYk <- the Hellcat makes special noises
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
LuS1fer said:
aeropilot said:
Indeed, not to mention the fact that the Hemi in the Hellcat is a 'modern' Hemi engine that bears no connection (other than re-introducing the name) with either the original 1950's Hemi engine or the later fabled 426 Hemi engine of the 1960's.
I recall reading that the modern hemi isn't really a true hemi at all but can't find it now. However, one thing I did find is that these engines use 16 spark plugs - 2 per cylinder - 8 coil packs, each coil pack feeding another plug on the opposite bank by a normal plug lead.All for emissions but hell, 16 plugs!
Twin-plug heads - pah - old hat ;-)
Here's a 1940's era ELCO twin-plug ally head conversion of the Ford flathead V8 - note the 16 point dizzy!!
Just spent a while trawling through the Dodge SRT site for the Hellcat. I think I need to put a letter of intent in but to who.
Good news it does not have bluejob stop start technology. It has old fashioned hydraulic steering. It does have launch control and a myriad of adjustable settings but thats ok. Just need to tweak those exhaust valves for straight through all the time.
I'm guessing this could be the last of the old school muscle cars that stayed true to the coke bottle shape
No plum crazy or hemi orange, will have to be black
Good news it does not have bluejob stop start technology. It has old fashioned hydraulic steering. It does have launch control and a myriad of adjustable settings but thats ok. Just need to tweak those exhaust valves for straight through all the time.
I'm guessing this could be the last of the old school muscle cars that stayed true to the coke bottle shape
No plum crazy or hemi orange, will have to be black
Edited by graemel on Wednesday 2nd July 22:34
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