shall i get some rusty arches repaired or not?
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steveo3002 said:
Ozzie Osmond said:
On a 2003 all I would do with that is,
aint loose rust flakes though is it ...will be full of holes if he pokes at it- Remove loose flakes and scrape off surface rust with an old screwdriveras neatly as you can.
After I had no bubbles or paint on my arches
Maybe ask to borrow their rediculous powered pressure washer and just blow your arches up like they did to mine.danlightbulb said:
A proper fix (i.e brand new panels) is out of the question, it would cost thousands.
I believe from what you guys have said that a quick fix is not worth the money either as it will last months at best.
What I don't know is whether there is an intermediate option?
Being sensible I should probably spend the minimum possible, as something could break on the car tomorrow and I'd have thrown money away on it.
Kind of torn between the desire to have it done and the reluctance to invest in an already 12 year old car. Ideally though, I'd still like to stop it getting any worse if possible, even if I can't cheaply make it perfect again.
Really?I believe from what you guys have said that a quick fix is not worth the money either as it will last months at best.
What I don't know is whether there is an intermediate option?
Being sensible I should probably spend the minimum possible, as something could break on the car tomorrow and I'd have thrown money away on it.
Kind of torn between the desire to have it done and the reluctance to invest in an already 12 year old car. Ideally though, I'd still like to stop it getting any worse if possible, even if I can't cheaply make it perfect again.
I had both rear arches inner and outer skins replaced on my campervan, arches sprayed and the chasis waxoiled for £680
danlightbulb said:
Being sensible I should probably spend the minimum possible, as something could break on the car tomorrow and I'd have thrown money away on it.
You've answered your own question here OP. Minimal spend is the key to successful bangernomics. Change the oil and repair things that break/fail MOT. Don't spend/waste money tarting it up IMHO.
What if you invest 800 quid on a top notch wheel arch repair then the engine throws a con rod the next day....?
In my yoof, I had a 1lt Vauxhall nova rust bucket. The rear archers were terrible with rust. I cut all the rusty part out using a dremel type saw. I then took a chicken wire metal sheet and trimmed it to nearly the correct shape and bent it by hand, including forming the arch lip. Took forever but hey I was a broke student. I then used metal glue to bond the chicken wire piece in place and glued a few support pieces in. After that it was just a case of fill, sand, fill, sand then primer, then paint and finally a top coat. Took me quite a while but cost next to nothing. Paint, a metal sheet from b&q it somewhere similar and metal glue. Lasted about 2 years but at that point I had a job so sold the car on to my brother. It did come back but I just, clean, sanded and painted. It wasn't the prettiest job but if your after a cheep diy solution you could do it yourself with the aide of a few YouTube videos.
NiceCupOfTea said:
3 options:
1. Have a go yourself. Sand back, rustproof, prime, spray.
2. Cheap repair. Will be back in 12 months Max so sell before.
3. Stump up the money to get it cut out and then new metal welded in
The problem with Option 1, and likely with option 2 is that that rust is coming through from the inside, so matter what you do from the outside, there'll end up pinholes through to the inside which could come through in as little as a week or two.1. Have a go yourself. Sand back, rustproof, prime, spray.
2. Cheap repair. Will be back in 12 months Max so sell before.
3. Stump up the money to get it cut out and then new metal welded in
I would say getting those arches cut out and replaced with new metal would work out significantly more expensive that replacing the whole wing - bearing in mind how much from the rear of the wing you'd have to remove (and the bumper) to get clear access.
Given you can buy a new pattern fit one for £50 - £60, i'd either be replacing the wings with new ones OR getting second hand ones the same colour if i could.
daemon said:
The problem with Option 1, and likely with option 2 is that that rust is coming through from the inside, so matter what you do from the outside, there'll end up pinholes through to the inside which could come through in as little as a week or two.
I would say getting those arches cut out and replaced with new metal would work out significantly more expensive that replacing the whole wing - bearing in mind how much from the rear of the wing you'd have to remove (and the bumper) to get clear access.
Given you can buy a new pattern fit one for £50 - £60, i'd either be replacing the wings with new ones OR getting second hand ones the same colour if i could.
No pattern arches available for this car.I would say getting those arches cut out and replaced with new metal would work out significantly more expensive that replacing the whole wing - bearing in mind how much from the rear of the wing you'd have to remove (and the bumper) to get clear access.
Given you can buy a new pattern fit one for £50 - £60, i'd either be replacing the wings with new ones OR getting second hand ones the same colour if i could.
I have just been to see a guy. He seemed very knowledgeable, very genuine, and very confident that his price of £200 per side would do a very good job of it. He will cut out the bad sections and reform the arch with new sheet metal, then weld it back in. If the internal arch is bad too he will cut out sections of that and remake those in new metal. He will re-weld the seam between the inner and outer skin and seal the gap. All followed by a respray and blend in to whole rear quarter panel and the rear doors.
Struggling to decide what to do. The longer I leave it the worse it will get, and possibly very fast.
steveo3002 said:
have you seen his work ? if other jobs looks great then thats a good price if he does what he says
I have seen photos of his other work yes. I found out about him via a facebook car sales group. Only a small indy, but I was impressed by the guy, not just his knowledge but his professional manner as well.danlightbulb said:
No pattern arches available for this car.
I have just been to see a guy. He seemed very knowledgeable, very genuine, and very confident that his price of £200 per side would do a very good job of it. He will cut out the bad sections and reform the arch with new sheet metal, then weld it back in. If the internal arch is bad too he will cut out sections of that and remake those in new metal. He will re-weld the seam between the inner and outer skin and seal the gap. All followed by a respray and blend in to whole rear quarter panel and the rear doors.
Struggling to decide what to do. The longer I leave it the worse it will get, and possibly very fast.
Do it, if you are keeping the car. And afterwards slosh on lots of underseal, also use cavity wax to penetrate the hard to get to places. And, most important, do the same thing to ALL of the car, the sills, the other wheel arches, everywhere accessible. Use cavity wax applied to the lower edge of the bootlid (from the inside, you may need to remove some trim) to the leading edge of the bonnet, then remove door trims, and apply to the lower edges of the doors (always, from the inside). If possible lever up any windscreen rubber trim and apply beneath that, too, front and rear.I have just been to see a guy. He seemed very knowledgeable, very genuine, and very confident that his price of £200 per side would do a very good job of it. He will cut out the bad sections and reform the arch with new sheet metal, then weld it back in. If the internal arch is bad too he will cut out sections of that and remake those in new metal. He will re-weld the seam between the inner and outer skin and seal the gap. All followed by a respray and blend in to whole rear quarter panel and the rear doors.
Struggling to decide what to do. The longer I leave it the worse it will get, and possibly very fast.
Otherwise, you fix one place and another place rots.
danlightbulb said:
No pattern arches available for this car.
I have just been to see a guy. He seemed very knowledgeable, very genuine, and very confident that his price of £200 per side would do a very good job of it. He will cut out the bad sections and reform the arch with new sheet metal, then weld it back in. If the internal arch is bad too he will cut out sections of that and remake those in new metal. He will re-weld the seam between the inner and outer skin and seal the gap. All followed by a respray and blend in to whole rear quarter panel and the rear doors.
Struggling to decide what to do. The longer I leave it the worse it will get, and possibly very fast.
If he has to do inner arches that'll be extra?I have just been to see a guy. He seemed very knowledgeable, very genuine, and very confident that his price of £200 per side would do a very good job of it. He will cut out the bad sections and reform the arch with new sheet metal, then weld it back in. If the internal arch is bad too he will cut out sections of that and remake those in new metal. He will re-weld the seam between the inner and outer skin and seal the gap. All followed by a respray and blend in to whole rear quarter panel and the rear doors.
Struggling to decide what to do. The longer I leave it the worse it will get, and possibly very fast.
Even if the inner arch isn't bad they rust from the inside out so a few years and you'll be back to square 1, either do it properly or just drive it until it fails the mot then decide.
I have a similar problem with my Son's Fiesta.
I went down the bodge route because it's simply not worth spending more than a few quid.
Tap the rust with a hammer - this will make the rust fall out leaving sound metal behind.
Paint with Kurust or similar.
Fill in the hole with filler and sand smooth (finish with wet and dry).
I then painted with a brush finishing with a few coats of lacquer.
I then sprayed ACF-50 into the seam.
You're probably thinking 'I bet that looks shyte', but actually, you have to be pretty close to see where the repair is!
I went down the bodge route because it's simply not worth spending more than a few quid.
Tap the rust with a hammer - this will make the rust fall out leaving sound metal behind.
Paint with Kurust or similar.
Fill in the hole with filler and sand smooth (finish with wet and dry).
I then painted with a brush finishing with a few coats of lacquer.
I then sprayed ACF-50 into the seam.
You're probably thinking 'I bet that looks shyte', but actually, you have to be pretty close to see where the repair is!
egor110 said:
If he has to do inner arches that'll be extra?
Even if the inner arch isn't bad they rust from the inside out so a few years and you'll be back to square 1, either do it properly or just drive it until it fails the mot then decide.
If by doing it properly you mean replacing the whole panel and inner arch, then that would be very expensive. There was a post over on Honda Karma forums from a guy who did this. Here is a pic as the extent of the job:Even if the inner arch isn't bad they rust from the inside out so a few years and you'll be back to square 1, either do it properly or just drive it until it fails the mot then decide.
The guys whose car this is said the work cost over £2500, but that was at main dealer prices under warranty so slightly different situation.
The inside of the arch is protected by an arch liner, so the bit where it all starts is on the seam at the very bottom of the arch. Then it creeps up the metal. The top bit of the arch should be absolutely fine, as should be the outer skin away from the seam contact point. That was the view of the guy I saw today.
Edited by danlightbulb on Sunday 10th January 19:14
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
I have a similar problem with my Son's Fiesta.
I went down the bodge route because it's simply not worth spending more than a few quid.
Tap the rust with a hammer - this will make the rust fall out leaving sound metal behind.
Paint with Kurust or similar.
Fill in the hole with filler and sand smooth (finish with wet and dry).
I then painted with a brush finishing with a few coats of lacquer.
I then sprayed ACF-50 into the seam.
You're probably thinking 'I bet that looks shyte', but actually, you have to be pretty close to see where the repair is!
Did same (ish) with Mrs BC's old PoloI went down the bodge route because it's simply not worth spending more than a few quid.
Tap the rust with a hammer - this will make the rust fall out leaving sound metal behind.
Paint with Kurust or similar.
Fill in the hole with filler and sand smooth (finish with wet and dry).
I then painted with a brush finishing with a few coats of lacquer.
I then sprayed ACF-50 into the seam.
You're probably thinking 'I bet that looks shyte', but actually, you have to be pretty close to see where the repair is!
Rubbed back taped rust and got a hole
Got the mig out and welded in a patch
Ground back and a dab of plod
Flat back
Then some VW rattle can paint (never got a good match with anything from aftermarket source) drop of t-cut and that did the trick
danlightbulb said:
No pattern arches available for this car.
Is this not them?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-ACCORD-1998-2003-F...
daemon said:
danlightbulb said:
No pattern arches available for this car.
Is this not them?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-ACCORD-1998-2003-F...
It is disappointing that there aren't any available. What were Honda thinking designing it the way they did.
danlightbulb said:
daemon said:
danlightbulb said:
No pattern arches available for this car.
Is this not them?http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-ACCORD-1998-2003-F...
It is disappointing that there aren't any available. What were Honda thinking designing it the way they did.
If your confident of that blokes work then i'd probably get it done.
daemon said:
Ah right sorry, yours are rears and wrong gen
If your confident of that blokes work then i'd probably get it done.
Thanks for searching anyway If your confident of that blokes work then i'd probably get it done.
I've got a choice to make.
Given that I paid £1400 for the car (reasonable I thought - there are none cheaper for sale at the moment), then if tried to sell it now with the rust the way it is what could I expect to get? What if I allowed it to get worse and resell it in 2 years? What if I fix the rot and resell it in 2 years before it comes back too bad?
I think if it means that I will sell the car again in two to three years without having to take scrap value, it would be worth the repair.
danlightbulb said:
egor110 said:
If he has to do inner arches that'll be extra?
Even if the inner arch isn't bad they rust from the inside out so a few years and you'll be back to square 1, either do it properly or just drive it until it fails the mot then decide.
If by doing it properly you mean replacing the whole panel and inner arch, then that would be very expensive. There was a post over on Honda Karma forums from a guy who did this. Here is a pic as the extent of the job:Even if the inner arch isn't bad they rust from the inside out so a few years and you'll be back to square 1, either do it properly or just drive it until it fails the mot then decide.
The guys whose car this is said the work cost over £2500, but that was at main dealer prices under warranty so slightly different situation.
The inside of the arch is protected by an arch liner, so the bit where it all starts is on the seam at the very bottom of the arch. Then it creeps up the metal. The top bit of the arch should be absolutely fine, as should be the outer skin away from the seam contact point. That was the view of the guy I saw today.
Edited by danlightbulb on Sunday 10th January 19:14
I tried to get away with the cheap fix and 2 years later had rust bubbling thru again hence why this time i replaced inner and outer arches.
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