RE: New Toyota Supra spy shots
Discussion
Presuming Ed said:
I could do with a car to replace my 981 Cayman and would love this to be it but it looks a little small and from the class below rather than as a direct replacement for the old Supra. What are the engine options?
Keep the Cayman, it is one of the best cars ever made/samdale said:
PHMatt said:
samdale said:
PHMatt said:
Z5M
585bhp V8 twin turbo.
Supra - 1.4 petrol mated to hybrid engine.
Not sure I'm following you...585bhp V8 twin turbo.
Supra - 1.4 petrol mated to hybrid engine.
Are you saying a twin turbo V8 would be a commercial success and therefore likely??
Sadly your suggested supra drive train is more likely for both cars.
In case you haven't noticed, BMW, for decades, have consistently offered models with modest all the way through to mental engines. Whereas, since the death of the 90's Toyota triple of MR2, Celica and Supra, they have offered an utter shower of excriment.
The best they'be come up with in the last 20 years is the 200bhp NA GT86
If BMW make a Z5 they can stick a 450bhp M3 engine in it or, better, a 585bhp M5 engine. Because they actually have them readily available.
Toyota have some lawnmower engines and a couple of hairdryers.
The most likely outcome is a ~2l Z4 replacement that a lot of people will buy. What I want is for Toyota to build a Supra replacement but I have deemed that highly unlikely.
That's all I said. I left plenty of ??? In the middle as I'm sure the line up will consist of more than this. I merely stated the most and least likely models.
Take a step down off your high pferde and have some schnitzel.
Edited by myhandle on Wednesday 30th November 04:25
Presuming Ed said:
I could do with a car to replace my 981 Cayman and would love this to be it but it looks a little small and from the class below rather than as a direct replacement for the old Supra. What are the engine options?
Sure i read online somewhere that it'll have BMW sourced 6cyl turbos amongst other optionsj_s14a said:
Everything. Noise, size, weight, power, efficiency, rev / power band, revs so fast a digital counter was needed. Of course this doesn't come cheap, a replacement engine was over $100k IIRC.
There are lighter engines, there are more powerful engines, there are more efficient engines, there are engines that make a far nicer noise and engines that rev faster. The lexus simply puts an acceptable set of compromises together for the application, as does every 4 stroke engine on the planet.j_s14a said:
Renault, Honda, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Mazda, arguably Nissan, Ferrari, Mercedes,
Examples?Ideally backed up with tangible cold, hard statics, rather than personal preferences such as NA Vs Turbo, or Manual Vs Dual clutch gearboxes.
Edited by 279 on Wednesday 30th November 17:56
It's hard to think of another manufacturer that has ruined the good names of so many of its performance models with subsequent later models that were no better in terms of performance or looks. Surely if you're going to use the name of such models, you're trying to generate interest in it with people who know of or have owned the original who will then surely be disappointed and have no interest in purchasing it anyway.
j_s14a said:
I take it you're aware that Toyota recently made one of the best production car engines of all time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAvXKXn1nSU&t=...
No BMW engine comes close to that.
Er, I'll leave this here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAvXKXn1nSU&t=...
No BMW engine comes close to that.
Edited by sidesauce on Sunday 4th December 19:52
279 said:
It looks pathetic in comparison to its predecessor, but being completely honest, no other manufacturer has so much form in cocking up their previous icons than Toyota:
Snip!
What should Toyota do? Most of the early performance models from the 90-02 were supported by a large healthy homegrown (JDM) tuning scene with very little emission and safety regulations. Japanese kids nowadays do not buy performance cars anymore. It is all about dress up now(ref. LB Works, RWB, mini vans, stance). The Mid Night club is no longer the heroes racing on the Tokyo C1. Snip!
Edited by 279 on Tuesday 29th November 21:55
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